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On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 05:00:56PM -0400, der Mouse wrote:
> - Sun type-3: no such keys.

True.

> - Sun type-4 and type-5: sort of.  No dedicated keys, but keypad digit
>   keys 9 and 3 have PgUp and PgDn printed on them.

That's true of type-4, but flat-out wrong on type-5. See:

http://www.sunstuff.org/hardware/components/keyboards/sun.type5-keyboard.jpg

(That's an early type-5.)

> - NeXT (the non-ADB sort, old style (RETURN is rectangular, not
>   backwards-L-shaped)): no such keys.

Maybe my memory's going bad, but I'm pretty sure all 3 NeXT
keyboards I own have page up/down buttons.

> - Apple keyboards: I find three different ones; one has them and the
>   other two do not.  Two of them are ADB keybaords.

Then you have a very strange set of Apple keyboards.

Every Apple keyboard since the Extended 1 has had page up/down
buttons, with the possible exception of the initial iMac keyboard.
(That goes for ADB and USB keyboards both.)

I have a couple of Mac keyboards with no page up/down keys (and with
control in the Right Place!), but they're consciously stripped down
small keyboards.

> So, my claim was incorrect.  Apologies for the misinformation.

=2E.. and I still say you're being excessive about what does and
doesn't have the keys...

> However, keyboards without them are certainly not uncommon, even among
> machines that may be running wscons, in the future if not now (hp300,
> sun3/sparc, VAX, NeXT, mac68k and maybe macppc).

But this with this phrasing I whole-heartedly agree. This is a
positive, not a negative, test, and there definitely exist keyboards
for archs we support which lack the keys in question.

Which is why I suggested escape sequences earlier today that could
be bound using wsconsctl. :^>

In any case, this is not a quibble that should stop development of
the scrolling stuff, it's a detail that should be fixed later, don't
you think?

--=20
gabriel rosenkoetter
gr@eclipsed.net

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