Subject: RE: intel gige
To: 'der Mouse' <mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA>
From: Stephane St Hilaire <ssthilaire@hyperchip.com>
List: tech-kern
Date: 03/14/2002 17:47:05
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>> i'm just agains commercial practices which are breaking basic
>>> consumer laws
>> I doubt there are laws in *any* country that says [...]
>I'm not the one who chose to write "laws". But I think "law" here
>meant not law in the sense of legislation but law in the sense of
>natural law.
The law of competition, survival of the fittest would actually be on the
side of keeping the fruit of your R&D efforst private up to a certain point
wouldn't it ?
>> Do you get detailed descriptions of anything you can buy today?
>Mostly.
>> If you buy a new car, do you get a manual for the engine or the
>> electrical system?
>I damn well better, or I won't buy it. (And if that means I'll never
>buy a new car, so be it.)
You should buy a car because you need one, not because you want to know how
to build one ; )
> If you buy a loaf of bread, do you get a description of how it's
> made,
>(a) Ingredient lists are mandatory in most of North America. Process
> usually isn't, but that matters less - am I asking for
> manufacturing process details of the Ethernet card?
You're not asking for the component list of the board either.
>(b) If the Ethernet card conforms to an interface spec as widely known
> and documented as that of bread, a simple note to that effect would
You mean the "put the slice in your mouth" interface ? Just kidding but the
interface spec of bread would be the equivalent of the user manual for the
ethernet board.
> be sufficient (or not even that if, as with bread, all such devices
> conformed to that spec) - but that can't be the case here, or Jason
> wouldn't've needed to go NDA to write a driver.
What motivation is ther for Intel to make all this information public ?
Just curious.
Steph
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> i'm just agains commercial practices which =
are breaking basic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>> consumer laws</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> I doubt there are laws in *any* country =
that says [...]</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>I'm not the one who chose to write =
"laws". But I think "law" here</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>meant not law in the sense of legislation but =
law in the sense of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>natural law.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The law of competition, survival of the fittest would =
actually be on the side of keeping the fruit of your R&D efforst =
private up to a certain point wouldn't it ?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> Do you get detailed descriptions of anything =
you can buy today?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>Mostly.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> If you buy a new car, do you get a manual =
for the engine or the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>> electrical system?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>I damn well better, or I won't buy it. (And =
if that means I'll never</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>buy a new car, so be it.)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You should buy a car because you need one, not =
because you want to know how to build one ; )</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If you buy a loaf of bread, do you get a =
description of how it's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> made,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>(a) Ingredient lists are mandatory in most of =
North America. Process</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> usually isn't, but that =
matters less - am I asking for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> manufacturing process details =
of the Ethernet card?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You're not asking for the component list of the board =
either.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>(b) If the Ethernet card conforms to an interface =
spec as widely known</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and documented as that of =
bread, a simple note to that effect would</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You mean the "put the slice in your mouth" =
interface ? Just kidding but the interface spec of bread would be the =
equivalent of the user manual for the ethernet board.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> be sufficient (or not even =
that if, as with bread, all such devices</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> conformed to that spec) - but =
that can't be the case here, or Jason</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> wouldn't've needed to go NDA =
to write a driver.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What motivation is ther for Intel to make all this =
information public ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just curious.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steph</FONT>
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