Lord Isildur <mrfusion@umbar.vaxpower.org>  wrote:
 > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 jchacon@genuity.net wrote:
 > 
 > > This is just scrollback. Screen is much much more than that. 
 > 
 > but it also does a good job at scrollback.
 > 
 > > 
 > > Using that logic the whole multi-VT concept should go away since screen
 > > essentially provides that as well.
 > 
 > i dont disagree with this line of thinking.. i tend to be trigger happy in
 > slaying feeping creatures wherever i see them... :) 

I have some fairly solid views on 'consoles'... I have, on occasion,
found myself trying to resurrect a filesystem, even the one that has
'screen' on it, and wanted an additional console window.  I will 
occasionally manually configure wscons while at single-user mode so
I can watch an fsck on one screen while working on something else on
another.  I don't much like to rely on 'additional packages' when
I'm in single-user mode.  Another reason I never bothered to learn 
emacs.  It's either 'vi' or 'ed' when absolutely necessary.

 > > Scrollback is useful for any number of things (especially boot messages which
 > > aren't syslog'd). Being able to only look back at them once before I may
 > > swap VT's (say to start X) makes this not as useful as it could be.

if I want scrollback on the console, I'll just use a serial console.    In
fact, I prefer serial consoles anyway especially when it means I can sit
at my desk and manage a machine in sweden.