Subject: Re: rename list?
To: Frederick Bruckman <email@example.com>
From: Don Yuniskis <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 12/31/2001 20:40:20
>Frederick Bruckman <email@example.com> claimed:
>On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Don Yuniskis wrote:
>> Though, this discussion *does* bring up a valid point;
>> should there be a forum for newbie "help me install this"
>> questions or should they fend for themselves? I would
>> argue that -users is probably the most appropriate
>> place since YAML will just get folks crossposting to
>> -users, -bob (!! :>) *and* -newbie ...
>I seem to remember that the whole purpose for netbsd-help was for
>"help installing and setting up NetBSD", that it's birth was triggered
>by the same sort of question that triggered this discussion. What's on
>the MailingLists page now, "This list provides a general help forum
>where users can ask questions.", is actually broader than that, and
>still there isn't too much traffic on that list.
Well, there isn't much traffic on *any* of the NetBSD lists that
I watch -- quite unlike the FreeBSD counterparts :-/ Perhaps
a different size user base or different level of sophistication,
>I think a better solution to the problem at hand, how to get newbies
>to post questions to the correct list, would be to add a pre-amble to
>the MailingLists page. Like a big heading "Problems Installing",
>followed by a pointer to the FAQS and then to netbsd-help; "Problems
>Building From Source", FAQS and a pointer to current-users, and so on.
A problem NBSD will face when trying to "lump" all (fill in the blank)
cross-platform issues into a single mailing list (e.g. "install") is
ensuring that enough "insiders" monitor and participate in that
list to cover that (fill in the blank) topic on *all* platforms.
I.e., how many folks run *all* "ports" of NetBSD actively? (I
have trouble getting my hands on a wide enough variety of hardware
to support more than SPARC, i386 and mac68k -- though I have been
looking for some NeXT and SGI boxes...). I know that trying to
accurately document the different flavors of NetBSD in the
"guides" I have been writing has been time consuming. So much
so that I have opted to just avoid anything that is platform
(i.e. "port") specific...
Given the relatively low volume of traffic on the lists, I would
almost (*gasp*!) suggest folks post all mac68k questions (i.e. including
install, X, etc.) to port-mac68k, all SPARC questions (ditto) to
port-sparc, etc. Maybe adding an appropriate subject line to
let folks easily filter out the stuff they don't want to be
Adding another list is, of course, relatively trivial. But,
there's already a plethora (that's french for "sh*tload" :>)
of NetBSD-* lists and this would just dillute traffic
even more *or* just cause crosspostings to increase.
Has anyone assumed responsibility for actively supporting
newbies like this? E.g., Joerg Wunsch -- a member of FreeBSD's
core team -- had taken on that (thankless?) task for quite some
time over there... (suspect he may be preoccupied with more
"domestic" issues nowadays... :> ) Or, isn't there an aggressive
advocacy program for NetBSD? "Laissez-faire BSD"?
Best wishes for a Happy New Year,