Subject: Re: Looking ahead
To: bifferos <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Antti Kantee <email@example.com>
Date: 06/08/2007 14:22:42
On Fri Jun 08 2007 at 11:00:35 +0100, bifferos wrote:
> --- David Young <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 06:37:19AM +0300, Antti Kantee wrote:
> > > On Tue Jun 05 2007 at 10:25:41 -0400, Allen Briggs wrote:
> > > > > * tiny & full tcp/ip stack (like QNX for example)
> > > >
> > > > If we're defining a "tiny & full" tcp/ip stack, it would be useful
> > > > to identify what "tiny" and "full" mean. Can you elaborate? I
> > > > have some idea what I would mean by that, but would like to hear
> > > > what you would be willing to give up.
> > >
> > > One option for a tinier & "full" tcp/ip stack is to rip out the routing
> > > code. But it's not exactly easy make it an optional module.
> > >
> > > see:
> > > http://www.cs.hut.fi/~pooka/pubs/EuroBSDCon2006/bsd_lwrouting.pdf
> > I believe this talk about the size of the IP stack is a distraction,
> > and we should not squander our volunteer developers' valuable time
> > discussing it any further, when we know that people eschew NetBSD for
> > embedded use more often because NetBSD lacks board/device support and
> > essential features such as a NAND flash filesystem.
You can't force volunteers to either discuss or not discuss it ;)
But on a more serious note, the point is more in making the networking
stack more maintainable than in making it small. Optionally tiny is
ideally just a side effect of "maintainable".
The paper does describe a very real case where the size of the networking
stack was the showstopper ...
> I agree. And with few 'micro' alternatives to the standard network
> utilities (dhclient etc..) that is probably where the bloat comes in.
... however, NetBSD has lots and lots of easier fruit to pick if starting
from a stock distribution.
I will now stop squandering our/your valuable time.
Antti Kantee <email@example.com> Of course he runs NetBSD
"la qualité la plus indispensable du cuisinier est l'exactitude"