hello, 

ok no problemo
the only gotcha is that i have them on a machine thats not on the net 
directly. youll have to telnto to one box, then telnet again to another 
box, to get to the sources. What username would you like and i'll make 
you an account. 

happy hacking,
isildur

On Sat, 12 May 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:

> 
> I have no problem helping with getting accelerated support running.  I
> would appreciate the sources.
> 
> Peace...  Sridhar
> 
> On Sat, 12 May 2001, Lord Isildur wrote:
> 
> > 
> > hello,
> > 
> > i think i offered to some folks on the list before, but i have
> > both Ultrix and OSF1 sources. The OSF1 sources are the complete v.20 
> > source distribution, and shoudl be of help for supporting the accelerated 
> > cards. I can make them available for browsing if youre interested
> > 
> > happy hacking,
> > isildur
> > 
> > On Sat, 12 May 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I still want the relative speed.  Just because a PMAGD-BA doesn't boot
> > > under NetBSD doesn't mean it isn't fast.  Just because a PMAGB-BA doesn't
> > > accelerate under NetBSD, it doesn't mean that it can't accelerate at all.  
> > > I need useful information regarding the hardware's capabilities.  Come on.
> > > 
> > > The 5800 is XMI/VAXBI with MIPS CPUsets.
> > > 
> > > Peace...  Sridhar
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Chris Tribo wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Chris Tribo wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Which is the fastest?  The PMAGB-BA, the PMAG-F, or the PMAGD-BA?  Also,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	PMAGB-BA Would be the fastest 2D card if we had accelerated
> > > > > > console drivers or an accelerated Xserver for pmax, but alas we do
> > > > > > not. PMAGB-BA is very slow on the console, and in X. I prefer to use a
> > > > > > serial console over using a PMAGB-BA. PMAG-F blows a PMAGB-BA out of the
> > > > > > water, but there is no Xserver available for it, and it takes up three TC
> > > > > > slots. PMAGD-BA is the best of 2D and 3D acceleration on one card, but
> > > > > > it's not supported at all yet on NetBSD/pmax AFAIK, should work fine if
> > > > > > you have an Alpha 3000 series to plug it into though.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, I am trying to build an array of 5900s, so the PMAG-F's slot
> > > > > requirement is not a big deal for me.  However, you're saying if I want
> > > > > any 3D acceleration, I have to go with the PMAGD-BA?  How does the 2D
> > > > 
> > > > 	There is no acceleration period on NetBSD/pmax, not 2D or 3D. The
> > > > PMAGB-BA is a 2D only card with "Smart frame buffer" technology. However,
> > > > NetBSD/pmax treats the PMAGB-BA as if it were a PMAG-B (dumb color frame
> > > > buffer). No acceleration features have been implemented unless you're
> > > > using -current with wscons enabled. Search for the thread on "wscons
> > > > kernel" for more info.
> > > > 
> > > > > speed of the PMAGD-BA compare with the 2D speed of the PMAG-F?  If I use
> > > > 
> > > > 	On Netbsd/pmax the PMAG-F will beat a PMAGD-BA at anything because
> > > > if you try and boot a kernel with a PMAGD you won't see anything because
> > > > it isn't supported. At least the PMAG-F has console support, though it
> > > > won't run X. But, If you were running Digital Unix or OSF/1 on an Alpha,
> > > > the PMAGD-BA would be faster.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > what are the chances of the KZTSA FWD-SCSI card being supported, if I were
> > > > > > > to lend one to someone (with a FWD drive, probably) to write support
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	Pretty reasonable, if the Alpha port already has a driver for
> > > > > > it. If not, depends on free time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who would I contact about lending a card to someone to port the alpha
> > > > > driver to pmax?  I don't have the time to write the driver myself, as I
> > > > > will be doing a lot of stuff for NetBSD/s390.
> > > > 
> > > > 	The only name that comes to mind is Jason Thorpe, but without
> > > > knowing, I'd guess that he's got his hands full debugging all the recent
> > > > changes from merging Thorpej_SCSI into the source tree. You could post it
> > > > on the NetBSD web page as being available for development.
> > > >  
> > > > > Well, the 58x0 means that x is the number of CPU's in the machine.  
> > > > > Anybody have technical info on the ISIS machines?
> > > > 
> > > > 	I've not seen anything posted to the list or any pictures of an
> > > > ISIS machine on E-Bay. I can only guess that it's some manner of Qbus /
> > > > XMI VAX relative with MIPS CPUs instead of VAX. Anything you can dig up or
> > > > Pictures would be sweet.
> > > > 
> > > > 	Chris
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
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