Subject: Re: 300MHz beige G3 questions + RANT
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From: Kevin Diggs <kevdig@rcn.com>
List: port-macppc
Date: 12/06/2002 18:41:20
Hi,

    I thought the mesh in the 8600 and friends was 10 MHz? It runs at 10
under Linux 2.2.20.

                    kevin

Christopher Tribo wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Andy Ball wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > it supports "wide SCSI", but I'm not sure if this means
> > single-ended, hvd or lvd (I'm guessing single-ended).  I'm
> > also wondering about the speed of the SCSI bus (20MHz?)
>
>         As was mentioned, the onboard "MESH" SCSI chip is slow narrow.
> It's pretty sad to see that a G3 has not much faster SCSI performance than
> a VAXstation. Leave it to apple to be on the cutting edge of hardware
> design. So much for seeing the G5 in Q3 2002 for Apple computers. And how
> about that DDR RAM that makes the new G4's run slower than their SDR
> predecessors?
>
> > Next upgrade is probably IEEE-1394 'FireWire' as a PCI card.
> > Are some better than others?  Do some work better with
> > NetBSD? Does his beige G3 support 5V cards, 3.3V or both? As
> > you can tell, I'm not all that familiar with this model.
>
>         What exactly do you want to do with it? To the best of my
> knowledge the firewire code is under devlopment in private branches and
> has not been merged into -current yet. I just booted a generic kernel that
> I compiled on Tuesday in my i386 box with a Texas Instruments TSB12LV23
> Firewire controller and it came up as not configured. USB 2.0 support
> hasn't been well tested, but it is in -current FWIW. Also be advised that
> you will not be able to boot from a Firewire or USB card. Only Macs with
> built in USB and Firewire ports have the code needed to do this.
>
>         As for which cards are better than others, I don't know. I've only
> seen NEC USB 2.0 cards, and I'm pretty sure that Apple and most card
> makers use Texas Instruments chipsets. If you wanted to go for an all in
> one upgrade, Sonnet has an ATA133 + Firewire + USB all on one card, no
> idea what parts of it will work with NetBSD, I think it has an ACARD based
> IDE chip which might be bootable.