a quick followup to that post.. how do people without serial ports use a dumb terminal to watch the OF? or do they just sit there.. typing it all in letter by letter? :) c. -- charlie@rubberduck.com Melbourne, Australia http://rubberduck.com/ PGP preferred F848 3B10 D181 E5EC 84CD 9CA2 7686 6210 FB54 66D1