At 8:19 PM -0500 12/14/00, Pat Wendorf wrote:
>"Henry B. Hotz" wrote:
> >
> > At 6:20 AM -0800 12/14/00, Greg Troutman wrote:
> > >On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:38 -0500
> > >Pat Wendorf <beholder@unios.dhs.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I recently purchased (very cheaply) a Quadra 800 and a Quadra 610 and
> > > > upgraded them to 16 megs of ram for the purpose of installing NetBSD (I
> > > > have many NetBSD i386 machines).  I've read the installation guide and
> > > > the FAQ's which mention the Apple SC Partitioning tool.  I tried the
> > > > tool, but I've found that it tags "*"'s on the 2 partitions (driver,
> >
> > Right.  You can't reformat the partition that the formatter (or it's
> > OS) is running from.
> >
> > >The easiest way to do this is to get an external SCSI drive with the
> > >MacOS, and install the NetBSD tools and some basic Mac utilities for
> > >partioning hard drives.  You can then attach this drive to any new
> > >Mac you want NetBSD on,
> >
> > Yes this is nice, but you don't have to go this far.  The normal way
> > to handle this on 68k Mac's is to use the Disk Tools boot floppy.
> > Then you install a minimum version of MacOS on a 4+ MB partition that
> > you left for the purpose.  I usually add MacTCP and Fetch to the
> > minimum system and the MacBSD tools, and I make it big enough to hold
> > the biggest installation tar file as well.
>
>Hmm, I'm not familiar enough with MacOS yet to determine what is needed
>for a minimum install, can anyone offer advice on this?

The MacOS installer will tell you how much space you need for the 
selected installation options (at least if it's a custom install, 
which you need to do if you want to select the "minimum system for 
this Mac" option).  2-4 MB should be fine for the basic system with a 
minimum of tools.

Looks like the largest installation tar file is 15.5 MB for base.tgz. 
I'd say 20 MB should be plenty, but you'll need to download the 
tarfiles one or a few at a time.  If you are installing from CD-ROM 
or an AppleShare volume then you can make do with the minimum 4MB. 
This is for the MacOS tools.

If you are using sysinst then I think it can ftp them over most 
supportable network connections, but I wouldn't want to use a ppp 
connection even if that is supported.  If you are going this route 
and disk space is tight you might consider a 2MB MacOS partition with 
just the booter on it.  There is a howto somewhere on creating a 
NetBSD boot floppy.  Follow the instructions there and just copy the 
floppy contents to your 2MB disk partition since that should be 
easier than recreating the same thing with a normal install.


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