Hi Pat-

I have system 7.1 disks, and use the following procedure.  This is very
general, but should get you going... let me know if you want more specifics.

1.  Stick the "Disk tools" disk into the floppy drive on your machine and
turn it on.  You'll boot from the floppy.

2. Use the Apple HD SC Setup to re-partition the hard drive - you can do it
now that you are booting from the floppy.  There is an excellent "how-to"
at:

http://users.erols.com/ewinkler/installguide/installguide.html

3. If you follow all the partitioning instructions from that link, you are
set.  In a recent install I did on a 230MB drive, I left 50MB on the Mac
side for a minimum System 7 install and room for the .tgz files that make up
the NetBSD distribution (Everything except X related files).

4. Once you are done with the disk tools, restart, and stick the "Install Me
first" disk into the floppy drive.  Now you're booting off this disk.  After
the machine boots up, the Apple installer will walk you through an
installation (this is where I finally answer your question :-).  You can
perform a minimum install by selecting the "custom" button from the
installer.  Scroll through the options and select the "min system" for your
machine (I selected min system for Quadra 610, since that's what I recently
installed on).  I also selected "file sharing" and "ethernet support", as I
need to use AppleTalk to move the .tgz files from my internet machine to the
old Mac.

Hope this helps!

John Pannell



on 12/14/00 6:19 PM, Pat Wendorf at beholder@unios.dhs.org wrote:

> "Henry B. Hotz" wrote:
>> 
>> At 6:20 AM -0800 12/14/00, Greg Troutman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:38 -0500
>>> Pat Wendorf <beholder@unios.dhs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I recently purchased (very cheaply) a Quadra 800 and a Quadra 610 and
>>>> upgraded them to 16 megs of ram for the purpose of installing NetBSD (I
>>>> have many NetBSD i386 machines).  I've read the installation guide and
>>>> the FAQ's which mention the Apple SC Partitioning tool.  I tried the
>>>> tool, but I've found that it tags "*"'s on the 2 partitions (driver,
>> 
>> Right.  You can't reformat the partition that the formatter (or it's
>> OS) is running from.
>> 
>>> The easiest way to do this is to get an external SCSI drive with the
>>> MacOS, and install the NetBSD tools and some basic Mac utilities for
>>> partioning hard drives.  You can then attach this drive to any new
>>> Mac you want NetBSD on,
>> 
>> Yes this is nice, but you don't have to go this far.  The normal way
>> to handle this on 68k Mac's is to use the Disk Tools boot floppy.
>> Then you install a minimum version of MacOS on a 4+ MB partition that
>> you left for the purpose.  I usually add MacTCP and Fetch to the
>> minimum system and the MacBSD tools, and I make it big enough to hold
>> the biggest installation tar file as well.
> 
> Hmm, I'm not familiar enough with MacOS yet to determine what is needed
> for a minimum install, can anyone offer advice on this?
> 
> I have the drives formatted now, and I'm up against a new problem that
> is hardware related.  I think I will need a Mac 10-BaseT connector or
> possibly a Mac SCSI CD-ROM to copy the packages on the second hard
> drive.  Does anyone know the costs associated with these items?
> 
>> 
>> You can't get away from MacOS and -- until recently -- most of us
>> didn't want to because we wanted to be able to switch boot anyway.
>> If the Mac is just another box to run *BSD on I suppose that's bad,
>> but the work needed to eliminate the MacOS dependence is substantial.
>> 
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