Subject: Re: how to start...
To: Marc Schneiders <email@example.com>
From: Henry B. Hotz <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 01/12/2000 11:14:15
At 7:49 PM -0800 1/10/00, Marc Schneiders wrote:
>Is it possible to point me to some webpage where I can find *basic*
>information on getting started on a Mac II vx? Basically I know
The generic answer for this group is to read the FAQ for our port. It's
pretty good but it doesn't cover the sort of information you need for just
setting a machine up under MacOS.
>nothing about Macs. The machine is running 7.5.5, but the IP-settings
>are protected by a sysadmin password that I do not know. I also would
>like to (and must, I think) partition the disk (230 MB).
You can fix the password by deleting all the MacTCP or OT related files and
reinstalling the networking. If you are repartitioning and starting from
scratch then it's a non-issue. I do suggest you copy all the information
from the MacTCP or TCP/IP control panel before you nuke it. I wrote a
HowTo on how to use that information under NetBSD ;-) Note that HowTo
documents are different from FAQ's.
I wish the FAQ for the i386 port were as good as ours, but they have a more
chaotic hardware collection to support.
>I suppose that I have to install MacOS anew, after repartitioning (say
>30MB Mac or less?, rest BSD). Things I've tried, like do not work, perhaps
Yes. 30MB is OK if you want to continue using the Mac under MacOS.
Otherwise I'd suggest you do 5MB Mac HFS, 30-40MB A/UX swap, and the rest
an A/UX Root&User partition. If it's easier just make three Mac partitions
that size and use the NetBSD mkfs utility to change the types.
I guess I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here since that's a nice
configuration to end up with. To get there you probably need to create
multiple MacOS partitions to start with and download the base and etc
installation sets to the swap partition for installation before you turn it
into a swap partion. See below.
>because there is some special protection on this formerly networked
There shouldn't be any protection that would interfere with a dry install.
Any version 7 or version 8 of MacOS that runs on that machine should work
for booting NetBSD.
>There is a working CD-Rom in the machine. It has a working ethernet
>card (I can let it get an IP through RARP). It has 12MB RAM. I
>searched a number of times, but I cannot find enough information on
>the web. I would love to read something like the diskless FAQ, which
>helped me set up a Sun 3/80 in no time.
That should be a good machine for NetBSD, and a bit faster than that Sun
for non-disk activity. Diskless works for Mac PPC machines with Open
Firmware. For a 68k Mac you need the MacOS installation utilities. The
general procedure is:
1) boot from the MacOS installation CD-ROM (hold down the C during machine
startup. I trust that works on a IIvx.) You can get 7.0.1 on floppies and
that should work as well.
2) run HD SC Setup to partition the disk.
3) run the installer
a) select a minimum install for this machine (may require selecting
a custom install rather than an eazy one)
b) also select MacTCP or Open Transport networking support
c) maybe also select any Ethernet-related stuff you see.
4) reboot into MacOS and configure your Ethernet for TCP/IP use
5) install the copy of Fetch or Anarchie which you put on a floppy before
you started step 1 ;-)
6) download the booter, installer, and mkfs to the MacOS parition using
Fetch or Anarchie
7) download the base and etc tarballs to the MacOS partition which will
8) run mkfs to convert/format the main NetBSD partition
9) run the installer to install the base and etc tarballs
10) download the remaining tarballs and use the installer's cpin command in
the minishell to put them directly on the main NetBSD partition (it's
faster to unpack them inside NetBSD).
11) run mkfs to convert the swap partition
12) run the installer to make the devices and fstab
13) run the booter to get into NetBSD
14) tar zxvpf the remaining tarballs
15) configure networking per my HowTo
16) have fun!
Of course you should have a copy of the regular Install document for
details of the later steps. Hopefully Apple's user friendliness will take
care of the earlier ones. Also there is a more direct sysinst process in
-current which Bob Nestor may want to comment on. I'm not sure how to use
it from the 'net instead of from a CD-ROM. $5 gets you a CD-ROM from him
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