Hmm- was trying to fix the IPNAT problem I had remotely, but I can't su! This line come straight from /etc/group: wheel:*:0:root:bartosh vipw says password file is busy.... I suppose this is a security feature since I'm not running as root? Or is something more up- So I guess I have to wait till tommorow to get back to school and work on IPNAT. -mab