The latest madhatter kernel is available at: <ftp://ftp.best.com/pub.s/sbrown/NetBSD/kernels/madhatter#37.tar.gz> The diffs are also available in that location - both for the "madhatter" patch itself and for the the "nubus colorkit" as well. Steve Brown sbrown@best.com > >where can I get these kernels and their source? > > >thanks.