Um, i think i may have had a mail loop going for a while just then; sorry. Trying to set up pop correctly and left a -t after sendmail. Its fixed now sorry d -- David Leonard BE(Comp)/BCompSc 6th year student The University of Queensland s160828@student.uq.edu.au perl -e 'for $c(split(//,"BILLGATES\003")){$s+=ord($c)};print $s."\n"'