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On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:41:50PM -0500, Johan A. van Zanten wrote:
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> "Jonathan A. Kollasch" <jakllsch@kollasch.net> wrote:
> > I really can't see why anyone would want Mac hardware that's
> > not significantly different than stuff that's often cheaper,
> > and better supported by NetBSD.
>=20
> Because one can run all sorts of commercial software without using M$
> Windows.  Some people prefer OS X to Windows in terms of stability, lack
> of malware, or look and feel.  Others prefer to give money to Apple
> instead of Microsoft. And keep in mind you get a bunch of the FreeBSD
> userland with OS X, which you do not with Windows.
>=20

Did you not catch my implied "to run NetBSD" premise?

It's still Not (Free) Unix.

>  The new Intel-based Mac Mini has:
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> Firewire

I've used NetBSD's firewire support, it's decent enough for a SBP2
HDD.

> Bluetooth

NetBSD has a BT stack, not had the chance to try it yet.

> Optical Audio out

Probably a feature of the Azalia in the ICH southbridge.

> Intel GMA 950

Just because it's new doesn't mean it's not comparatively
crap, not that NetBSD has DRI support anyway.

None of this is not already available from PC vendors.

>=20
>  If i'm not mistaken, NetBSD only has preliminary support for
> Firewire. And i suspect OS X also better supports the Intel GMA 950
> graphics processor in the Mac Mini. And Bluetooth. And Power
> suspend/sleep. And whatever audio chip the Mac uses.
>=20

Seriously, if you care about that stuff more than NetBSD, you don't
belong here.

>  I plugged my Samsung T509 phone into my i386 NetBSD 3.1RC3 machine
> yesterday via USB.  NetBSD contrived a geometry for the device, and i was
> able to mount part of the storage card as a msdos file system.  But
> accessing the files was so slow as to be useless. After i umounted and
> unplugged the phone, all future writes seemed to fail. Then i rebooted. I
> had to power cycle the machine, because the kernel couldn't sync the file
> systems on shutdown. This hasn't happened with OS X on three different
> Macs i've used the phone with.

What can I say, they have more resources than we do.

>=20
>  I love NetBSD, and it's been my primary desktop for about 6 years
> now. But can't really agree with that statement.  IMO, NetBSD is better
> than MacOS X for many reasons, but desktop-y things are not among them.

{more random flames here}

	Jonathan Kollasch

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