Subject: SV: removing packages
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List: port-alpha
Date: 11/27/2000 09:05:16

I think packages should stay like they are...
Now netbsd is like the linux dist i started with
slackware.. you install the base and do the rest yourself
like it should be, you want to get a quick startup of the
system, to later install what you want...

Using debian i would never understand, since their package
system is a nightmare for people who knows what they want
it has stupid dependencies and stuff that makes it just
impossible to actually use... just to install a base system
you need 3 diffrent sets of perl or it will misswork...

I vote for keeping NetBSD as it should be... clean and simple..
like the creator of Slackware says.. KISS (keep it simple stupid)


> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr=E5n: Feico Dillema []
> Skickat: den 25 november 2000 19:03 PM
> Till:
> =C4mne: Re: removing packages
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 11:17:51AM -0500, Lord Isildur wrote:
> > Does this sound like an acceptable idea? I=20
> > don't see whose concerns this fails to address.=20
> I think we basically give and take describe the same thing,=20
> so one vote=20
> from me.
> > However, i am really against fragmentation of the standard=20
> distribution.=20
> > That's the whole point.=20
> I basically agree, but one or more tarballs wouldn't hurt, even if it
> was just for the fact that some of the current tarballs are pretty
> big (making them unhandy to deal with on tiny (old) systems.
> But that's another issue.
> (Net)BSD has always had the fine approach to provide users and
> sysadmins with a powerful set of tools to assist you with what you
> want to do. I haven't followed the discussion on the pkg-tization of
> the base distribution, but I am fairly confident that that would be
> the goal of this too. This as opposed to adding complexity to the
> basic OS and system, and putting lots of machinery in between you and
> the system preventing you from handling the system without the burden
> of all that machinery, like much more common in the Linux and Windows
> world. A good tool is in your own luggage if you find it useful to
> carry around, but not part of the system's luggage.
> I think many of us (including those working on the BSD pkg-tization)
> have felt the pain of the pkg-ing strategies on other systems.
> Some time ago, I needed to setup a server running Debian Linux. As
> this server would probably get an ISDN backdoor for systemadmin, I
> selected the ISDN ppp-package at installation time. The=20
> debian pkg system
> concluded that if you want that, you probably also want a Web-proxy
> installed and that's not very useful without a Web-browser, which
> required X and gnome, which... It took me a very long day to find out
> how to get rid of all that stuff again. Very educational, and I don't
> think many if any in the NetBSD crowd wants to go there...
> Feico.