Subject: Re: spamwar rules of engagement [ was printer supplies ]
To: Greg A. Woods <>
From: Todd Vierling <>
List: port-alpha
Date: 11/04/2000 13:31:58
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Greg A. Woods wrote:

: Certainly if you follow the ORBS "manual entries" list (i.e. the ones
: that return in the DNS RBL) then you'll be blocking large
: hunks of networks that are only rumoured to be the home of the odd open
: relay or so.  The static database (which returns is also
: manually maintained, though given the evidence of actual relayed spam
: that got such entries in the list in the first place, it's arguably a
: very important list.

However, most sites using ORBS don't check what address is returned by the
ORBS list - they only check for *existence*, which is the reason the MAPS
system has more than one list.  Blocking anything listed in ORBS, while
f*$&ing annoying because of some of the manual entries in there, is what
these sites do.  And the ORBS maintainer doesn't really care to educate
people enough to use his list properly.

: HOWEVER, the remainder of the ORBS list consists entirely of
: mechanically verified, provably open, relays.

Which would be perfectly fine to use if it were a *separate* domain list.

-- Todd Vierling <>  *
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