Subject: RE: Is the UP1000 with a 21264 supported under NetBSD/alpha?
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From: Ross Harvey <>
List: port-alpha
Date: 04/27/2000 10:34:38
> From: David Woyciesjes <>
> 	> NetBSD in it's place? Since this is a flavor of Linux...
> 	You will have stepped on a lot of sensitive toes with that remark.
> 	NetBSD is not at all a flavor of Linux.
> DOH! Uhhh... oops! Apologies are due to all, then I guess. They way I
> understood is was that they were derived from the same point, and they are
> similar in many respects. 
> Goes to show how much (history) I know...
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I suppose you also thought that Linus Torvalds starred in "The Matrix"?  :-)

But thank you for the apology, I guess we will let you live a bit longer.  :-)
(My other finger was on the button labelled "Eat Fiery Napalm Death".  :-)

And you don't think we have a sense of humour... :-)

I wrote some of the stuff below after your OTHER post but decided not to
send it to keep the noise on the group down, and because I thought - hey,
everyone knows this stuff...

Unix was invented in the early 70's at AT&T Bell Labs by Ken Thompson and
Dennis Ritchie. Much of the development continued at Berkeley and extensively
modified versions of the Bell Labs code were released by UCB and called
things like 4.1BSD, and 4.2BSD.

Much of the BSD development was incorporated back into commercial unix,
and Sun's SunOS was based entirely on the BSD branch, albeit with large
additions of features such as NFS and YP.

In about 1992, a system called 386BSD was developed which contained the
free code from Berkeley plus newly developed x86 code, making a standalone
free version. Development on 386BSD did not continue, but NetBSD and the
commercial BSDI were the first projects formed to move forward with the
BSD branch of development as the University's work was being discontinued.

Shortly later, FreeBSD formed from the same code base, and many years later,
OpenBSD split off from NetBSD, taking a copy of all of NetBSD. (Some parts
of OpenBSD, such as the alpha port, are essentially unchanged from the
time of the split.)

At about this point, AT&T sued UCB and others to prevent distribution of
BSD. It was this lawsuit that led to the success of Linux, which would have
been completely unneeded (some of us think it is still very much unneeded)
had AT&T not launched the lawsuit they ultimately, but much later, lost.

The only reason Linux is similar to commercial unix or NetBSD, is
because IT IS A COPY OF BSD UNIX TO START WITH!  Sheesh. #$!#!#%@@&.

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