Subject: Re: PWS 433a (Miata) question about SRM
To: Jason Thorpe <email@example.com>
From: Olaf Seibert <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 11/21/1999 01:32:32
On Sat 20 Nov 1999 at 09:17:20 -0800, Jason Thorpe wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:41:49 +0100
> Olaf Seibert <email@example.com> wrote:
> > In the AlphaBIOS setup I selected the SRM for Digital Unix (that seemed
> > a better choice than SRM for OpenVMS). When I next powered down and up,
> > the SRM came up, but it told me there was an unsuppored card in slot 4,
> > and would I please remove it before it would do anything else.
> > The card in slot 4 was the video card (S3 864).
> Earlier revisions of Miatas have a horrible core logic bug in them which
> manifests itself when a device attempts to prefetch across a page boundary.
> The SRM worked around this by refusing to enable cards that it didn't "know
> about" which were plugged into the primary PCI bus. These cards that it
> "knew about" were known by SRM to not do the thing that caused the bug to
Does it mean that I have such a revision, or is the SRM simply still
being very cautious? The firmware revision date seemed fairly recent (4
april 1999). I haven't updated it yet because my cable ISP has been
messing up for the mast 30 hours or so.
> Plugging such devices into the secondary PCI bus (the 32-bit slots, which
> are behind a PCI-PCI bridge, which prevents the bug from manifesting itself)
> is allowed by SRM.
> In the case of a video card, you're probably okay, since by default, that
> card isn't going to be doing DMA.
> However, if the card has a DMA engine on it for e.g. copying pixmaps from
> host memory to display memory, there could be a problem when that DMA engine
> is used.
Apparently it works with NT (because there was one hopefully identical
machine on display running that). And the AlphaBIOS didn't care.
> I don't remember what card DEC generally OEM'd in those machines... I know
> that AlphaServer 4100s often have S3 ... Trio64s maybe? Or maybe 968s.
> Anyhow, SRM is obviously allowing it to function, tho it probably didn't
> set the Bus Master Enable bit in the PCI Command register on the card.
> > But my main question is: how can I use the SRM with the video card that
> > I have? It works well enough to show the countdown and the error
> > message,I don't see any reason why the SRM would have any trouble with
> > it. Besides, I obviously want to use the machine with wscons and X, not
> > headless.
> So, maybe I'm misunderstanding... after it spews the error, it disables
> the card? Well, now, that's annoying.
It does not disable it, it simply halts (doesn't do anything visible,
in any case). What I see on my screen (using that same video card) is
the countdown (how nicely like my VAXen ;-) then the message about it
not knowing that card, and that I should power down and remove it.
After that, nothing. The very same thing happened on the serial console,
so I was a bit nervous until I found how to revert to AlphaBIOS ;-)
> I dunno what the score with PCI VGA on secondary busses is, but maybe if
> you could try putting it in one of the 32-bit slots, it'll work okay.
Thanks, I'll do that. When I get this working, maybe I'll have a nice
starting point to install NetBSD on the VAXen and Sun 3/50 I was given
> -- Jason R. Thorpe <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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