Subject: Re: Updating pkg_install on NetBSD 4
To: John Nemeth <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Steven M. Bellovin <email@example.com>
Date: 09/23/2007 23:49:18
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:33:49 -0700
firstname.lastname@example.org (John Nemeth) wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:34pm, "Steven M. Bellovin" wrote:
> } On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:08:14 +0200
> } > On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 09:43:57PM +0200, Christian Hattemer
> wrote: } > > I went to /usr/pkgsrc/pkgtools/pkg_install and did a
> "make update". } > > This used to update the pkgtools in /usr/sbin
> with the new ones. } > >
> } > > However it installed the new files into /usr/pkg/sbin now,
> leaving } > > those in /usr/sbin untouched.
> } > >
> } > > Did I miss something?
> } >
> } > No. This behaviour was changed as it created more problems than it
> } > fixed.
> } >
> } > > Due to the default settings for $PATH the old versions
> in /usr/sbin } > > are still the ones that are picked up.
> } >
> } > On the command line or by pkgsrc? pkgsrc itself should pick up
> the new } > version, otherwise you can set PKG_TOOLS_BIN
> to /usr/pkg/sbin. } >
> } > I will not support the old replacement installation.
> } So -- what is the proper behavior for a NetBSD user when he or she
> is } told that pkg_install is out of date? Last I checked, it
> couldn't be
> "make update" in pkgsrc/pkgtools/pkg_install generally works for
> this. If it doesn't, then file a PR.
The problem is that I almost never use 'make update'. First, if
something in the middle breaks I don't know what state the system is in.
Second, I generally do bulk rebuilds using pkg_comp, under which
pkg_install won't build.
What it boils down to is that we've never documented how to maintain
pkg_install on NetBSD. (I just check the pkgsrc guide from the web
page and did not see anything.)
> } what should happen for folks who track -current, which -- at least
> last } time I looked -- would put its versions into /usr/sbin. Is
> that } version going to be the latest one?
> It may or may not be. It all depends on when it was updated as
> opposed to when the version in pkgsrc was updated along with when you
> last did an update of your system. Note that pkg_install is now
> maintained in pkgsrc and imported into base (it used to be the
> } I'm not going to argue with you about the older behavior creating
> more } problems than it fixed; you know pkgsrc far better than I do.
> I would } like consistent behavior that doesn't surprise system
> The problem is that this change creates inconsistent behaviour
> and surprises.
I can deal with start-up transients. I'm not convinced we're in a
steady state. To give one example, should build.sh put pkg_add and
friends in /usr/pkg/sbin instead of /usr/sbin?
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb