Subject: Re: Desktop application agenda
To: =?UTF-8?B?UHJ6ZW15c8WCYXcgUGF3ZcWCY3p5aw==?= <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: haad <email@example.com>
Date: 04/17/2007 00:06:29
Przemysław Pawełczyk wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:39:31 +0100 (BST)
> David Brownlee <abs@NetBSD.org> wrote:
>>>> d) Having more choice of NetBSD installations which come
>>>> preconfigured with useful applications.
>>> That's what I pointed out, to no avail.
>> How an idea is presented can affect it reception :) Appearing
>> to advocate adding a large number of applications to the
>> existing NetBSD distribution, is going to make those who
>> want the very lean install unhappy, while still not providing
>> enough for everybody unless you include all of KDE plus all
>> of gnome, plus... well, all of pkgsrc
> Beg your pardon for delay.
> Let it be then "two way" - pkgsrc and meta-packages (or preselected
>> NetBSD already ships OS CD images and download, plus similar
>> for pkgsrc, the obvious next step is to include something
>> like pkg_select in the base system, and offer to run it
>> automatically after install.
> Your voice reckons. Why no one answered it? Is it only me who wants the
>> If installing from CD and there are any binary packages on
>> the CD it could offer to install them all, or a selection,
>> or it could download packages from a full pkgsrc build.
> Couldn't say that simpler.
>>>> While I think 'c)' is more useful, this is also a win.
>>>> Interestingly we have pkgsrc/sysutils/mklivecd which
>>>> allows custom live CDs to be built. I think having an option to
>>>> put an installer on that would be very interesting,
>>>> particularly when combined with c).
> But mklivecd is without any good simplistic article on it. From
> practical point of view as well.
>> Evolution maybe more then revolution... all when people
>> can put in the time. I think you'll find that the most
>> people are not against what you want from a NetBSD
>> distribution, they are just adverse to being told (or at
>> least appearing to be told) that the existing setup which
>> works very well for them is junk and needs to be replaced.
> I won't change my words. Many people get accustomed to junkyards (untidy
> placed books on shelves, electronic parts in drawers, etc) knowing what
> and where with blinded eyes. "It works very well" until something
> vanishes from the sight or gets forgotten where it was put. With
> WWW is another matter. It works up to the time it tumbles down under
> its own untidiness. Old users may not be lost, but new users will get
> lost right away. Either they ask for a candle or kick the system off.
>> Fortunately we can (and IMHO should) be able to fulfill both
>> The NetBSD ftp server already hosts the live CD image made
>> by freeX ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/livecd/ and
>> pkgsrc has the mklivecd and pkg_select packages, and NetBSD
>> has within the last release or so imported tools into the
>> base system to allow the standard release build to include
>> iso images.
>> So... whats missing?
> Documentation or helping html pages. The focus on the possibilities.
> That's what's missed. I still insist the official homepage is a mess
> and horrible. Today I've made new project of the page. Look into it:
> http://pp.kv.net.pl/lnbsd/index.html A little thought and checking one
> against the other will tell more than I could convey via e-mail.
>> I'm not saying "this is what will happen", more "this is
>> one thing that could happen", and I think its quite
> Then "will" or "could"? It tends to appear to me that too
> many times resolve is not your (plural) strongest point.
>>>> People want different things from NetBSD. We need to try
>>>> to pick directions which can give the most people "what they
>>>> want", and I think c) and d) from the above are two options in
> Why do we think the same way? :-)
>> Could I take a step back here - you appear to have a lot
>> of enthusiasm and energy and want to help NetBSD. In what
>> areas do you think you have the best skills to help, or
>> are interesting in extending your skills while helping?
> InstallCDs, LiveCDs, LearN@BSD CDs (teaching NetBSD CDs), WWW, and Wiki.
> Kind regards,
> Przemysław Pawełczyk
> Przemysław (p2o2) Pawełczyk <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> The LearN@BSD Project: http://pp.kv.net.pl
I think that your mails should go to spam :) directory directly. Your messages
are totally unusefull. Sometimes I think taht in next mail you will sell ome
medicine to us. Please stop your messages and start some work:), they are only
eating netbsd bandwidth and our time.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand
binary numbers, and those who don't.