Subject: Re: Desktop application agenda
To: Users NetBSD <>
From: Brian McEwen <>
List: netbsd-users
Date: 04/13/2007 23:17:41
On Apr 13, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Przemys=C5=82aw Pawe=C5=82czyk wrote:

> Oh, there you are... meritocracy, reputation, etc. The rest are only
> bunch of hooligans and should keep their mouth shut. Oh, I see... Not
> that I open my eyes today, far from that. This rotten f*** posture of

This type of content is what is killing respect for your questions.  =20
In my opinion.

The only one calling you a hooligan here is.... yourself.  Do you see =20=

yourself as a hooligan?

Anyone who has read here long knows I am certainly not part of a =20
superuser cabal out to shut down criticism.

I set NetBSD up a couple years ago as I liked (and needed) the broad =20
base of supported hardware.  Not that long ago, and it's my first =20
local install of a un*x.  I read a bit, I asked some questions, I =20
learned a bit.  Repeat.    If the documentation didn't make sense, =20
the lists and user base were/are very open to people (me) saying =20
"this doesn't make sense to me, how does it work?"

Sometimes I'd get back "well that isn't really documented well" and =20
sometimes I'd get pointed down the right path.  I've learned a lot, =20
and in the process I've turned in some PRs that made sense (and some =20
that really didn't : / ); I'd asked questions that seemed to result =20
in changes to docs and posted binaries for the port I'm running, =20
although maybe that was just timing; and I'd asked questions that =20
showed I really didn't know what I was doing.

I like the energy you have for all this, but personally I feel that =20
you would be happier with the outcome of all your energy if you =20
worked with the OS and pkgsrc enough to be able to generate feedback =20
to the community of "this page here, this content is dated, and here =20
is my idea of replacement content that reflects the current reality.  =20=

Can we add this to the main netbsd site docs?"  Even if you have to =20
try a couple times you'll get to someone who can and will move the =20
text up.  If you can't do that, then saying where you are reading, =20
what you are trying to do that isn't working, and asking what to do =20
next seems a reasonable next step.  And which would lead to your =20
understanding more completely, and perhaps updates to vinaries/ src/ =20
docs per my above personal experiences.

Instead there's a bit of posting that (to me) verges on/ lately meets =20=

the definition of trolling, creating of alternate documentation =20
sites, and not a lot of actual content in those sites.

This is a user community that to me seems very open to adding content =20=

anyone generates.  Docs, binaries, code.  You seem frustrated by =20
various things, but I feel that if you can  generate actual content =20
to be utilized you'd be happy with how it was used.
Can you point to improved documentation that you submitted that has =20
been ignored?  I see it that people have used their free time to make =20=

changes to packages and pages based in part upon your earlier comments.

It's up to you (and us) to help fill it in further.  Not big picture, =20=

arm-waving stuff.  Filling in the details.
How much of the recent documentation hackathon did you contribute =20
to?  Was it ignored?