Subject: Re: 7 points user's memo
To: None <netbsd-docs@NetBSD.org, netbsd-users@NetBSD.org>
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Date: 04/02/2007 09:30:51
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:10:05 +0200 (CEST)
Mark Weinem <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> might be - but there is no "right" layout!
I should say "less convenient" layout. Pardon.
> > 2) outdated docu-pages
> Please list the outdated docs and the updates you need.
> We will then help to update them.
I recapped your words.
> > 3) weak cooperation with community
> I don't understand this: what is the community? Community of users?
> The submitters, developers and maintainers are the users! Any
> separation between NetBSD users and doers is IMHO a deception.
Maybe. But look on software project. There is a team of developers,
analysts, and managers and on the other side a user in a form of
another team of managers, workers, and computer maintainers. The two
teams have to work out common project. For users, __not for
themselves__. Do you see the division? Woild you call it deception?
> > let me say first that we ended now with no changes.
> What did you expect after only a few days of discussion?
Your experience should prompt you right answer.
> > A few days ago Jeremy C. Reed created new page in Wiki. Sporadic, ad
> > hoc activity tailored to suddenly emerging circumstations aka needs.
I got nothing against Jeremy! I only wanted to show you "a mechanism",
a habit of doing things ad hoc.
> > I can create new WWW with NetBSD contents ina few days. It's no
> > problem as I designed and created numerous WWWs (back from OS/2
> > Warp times). But what for? For personal glory?
> No, for the users of NetBSD! So please go for it and setup the "NetBSD
> Community Documentation Project". Don't wait for elections, voting
> results, "visions" or orders from official parties. Helpful ressources
> like the Wiki, the "NetBSD News Beat" or "The NetBSD CVS Digest" would
> not exist if their creators have waited for consent, votes or
No, no, no! I'd like to do it within framework of NetBSD pages. But I'd
like first to find out "where and what". So I asked if some changes
would be possible.
> http://www.onetbsd.org (News Beat)
> http://digest.coris.org.uk (CVS Digest)
> > 1) "WWW Team" and "Wiki Team" will be "formally" elected (with
> > common sense on mind of course :-) ) with __member names available
> > to all__.
> > 2) WWW Team and Wiki Team will declare mutual help signed on highest
> > levels. :-)
> Sorry, but please stop being silly!
You're damn right serious. Didn't you feel a touch of humor?
> > 4) All hostilities between WWW and Wiki will stop immediately.
> There are no hostilities!
Wrong answer. Read the threads once more. If you are too lazy you'll
find the correct answer in netbsd-docs in my email to Andrew Ball. Of
course "hostilities" fit into the whole "7 point memo". You can read it
> > Links to Wiki will be placed on official WWW were needed or
> > suggested by Wiki Team (__as users know better what they want to
> > see on NetBSD WWW__).
> netbsd.org has already to many (and to nested) links and maybe also to
> many pages. So what comes next, all the links to news sites, digests,
> IRC channels, wikipedia articles and web forums?
You missed one point where I proposed to move some pages from NetBSD to
wiki. Once to relieve NetBSD, twice, to shore up wiki.
> Kind regards, Mark
Best regards, Przemyslaw
Przemysław Pawełczyk <email@example.com>
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