Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD
To: None <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Timo Schoeler <email@example.com>
Date: 09/06/2006 09:47:32
thus Joseph A. Dacuma spake:
>>> I don't think that binary only drivers are well enough.
>>> Surely better than nothing but ...
>> No fucking way. No support is FAR FAR better than a blob. Yes, really!
>>> Don't forget that an open source team sometimes makes api changes
>>> that might break a "binary only" driver. And companies sometimes
>>> are slow in fixing.
>> A.K.A. Never. And when they try it usually doesn't work right. Worst of
>> *you* have no clue how they kludged a so called fix together. Vendor code
>> usually pretty darn bad and I wonder why people never revolt against that.
>>> Or the vendor did some mistakes in his own driver.
>>> First the paying customers are served. All the other folks
>>> (open source ..) surely will come last.
>> Open source users paid for the hardware didn't they? Or because they use
>> alternative OS now they stole the hardware? This argument is retarded.
>>> For some smaller corps supporting open source developers is
>>> simply a burden that costs time and so money.
>> Docs are part of the development process. If they are not than you don't
>> that hardware.
>>> I know this from a medium sized german company producing nice
>>> audio recording cards.
>>> It was impossible to get a card and documentation from them for
>>> a FreeBSD developers. And after weeks and months of asking via
>>> e-mail they decided finally to tell the truth that they don't
>>> want to support open source developers anymore, it makes too much
>>> work. They are unable to spend so much time answering open source
>>> developers questions although they got documentation. This experience
>>> they made with Linux developers.
>> I call horseshit on this one too. Vendors do not have to support shit if
>> free their docs. NOTHING because the OS developers will do it for FREE
>> them. This argument is a steaming pile of shit with peanuts in it.
>> It is this attitude that is killing Linux and FreeBSD. They will allow
>> to shit and piss in their sandbox and say "GREAT THANKS!"
>> You people need to get through your heads that blobs are killing your
>> system that you pretend to care so much about. Allowing blobs is the
>> equivalent of eating fast food; it is convenient now but 10 years from now
>> ass wont fit through the door.
>> A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights.
>> -- Napoleon Bonaparte
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> Hi All!
> I agree totally with Mr. Peereboom. IMHO, BLOBS are not sustainable in the
> long run. If a manufacturer decides to retire a particular model (driver
> support included) while OS keeps on releasing newer versions (which
> include changes in the design and/or how things are implemented) one will
> be facing two scenarios: stasis or an unstable system. Both I believe is
definitely. but on the other hand there's 15 minutes of fame if you
support a device (using a blob) today -- as others won't support it.
> I'd rather purchase hardware that will enable me to (ab)use it until it no
> longer works (MBTF deadend) using either NetBSD or OpenBSD :).
true, but NetBSD allows blobs.
> Joseph A. Dacuma