Subject: Re: Final plug for extra utilities
To: Eric Radman <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: matthew sporleder <email@example.com>
Date: 09/01/2006 22:06:05
On 9/1/06, Eric Radman <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On 12:12 Fri 01 Sep , David Brownlee wrote:
> > >
> > >Is there any chance of a consensus on this idea: adding another set to
> > >NetBSD's base distribution called plus.tgz or util.tgz.
> > >
> > I think a better approach would be to help integrate pkgsrc
> > installation into sysinst, so when people install NetBSD they
> > can select those, or any other available binary packages.
> I think I left this too open-ended. Allow me to try to clarify what my
> goal is for this suggestion:
> If a binary package is available, pkg_add is very easy, and there really
> isn't any need to make the installer any more complicated than it is
> already. The problem here is that binaries are often not available.
> This happens when installing a snapshot, or on older/slower systems that
> do not yet (ever?) have binaries posted.
> Here are the reasons for each of the packages I listed:
> I would argue that this tool should be forced on every UNIX admin.
> My experience is universal: su encourages people to just keep boxes
> logged in as root, and makes it seem that handing out root passwords
> is ok. Anyone should be allowed to type dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd0d
> if they really want to, but # prompts on screens is not a matter of
> This is really the ifconfig and dhclient of the dialup/pppoe world.
> The first and most basic task in setting up a NetBSD box is to get
> it connected to the Internet. This package makes it possible and
> fast not matter what means are available.
I agree with this.
> Nice to have for those who don't like ksh, but really just a nice
> 331K perk.
We already have too many shells.
> Without a very basic web browser, two computers are usually required
> to do an install at a given location for the simple reason that
> there's no simple way to look up information:
> * FTP/CVS mirrors
> * Documentation for specific platforms
> * Web searches on specific issues
> Yes, once I know where to download something from I can use ftp, but
> only after I know where the URL is. There are also special cases
> that I've encountered, for example, at a hotel or a school district
> where you need to sign into the Internet gateway before you can use
> their Internet connection to finish your business.
w3m is MIT-licensed and a little easier to use, in my opinion. I also
think it should be included.
> I'm revoking this one. Perl is too large and complicated, and it's
> not required.
Yes, operating systems that include perl/java/python/etc are just
forcing someone to maintain two versions on their system and confuse
everyone a lot.
> I appreciate the response by everyone on this topic.