Subject: Re: -key "introduction"
To: Zbigniew Baniewski <>
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt@Update.UU.SE>
List: netbsd-users
Date: 03/29/2005 23:45:42
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 01:11:44PM -0600, Richard Rauch wrote:
> > Well, if there are no misunderstandings, then, it seems that this is
> > fixed in -current.
> To avoid any further misunderstanings:

Ditto. :-)

> Do you have "proper Delete" key (when cursor "eats" the following characters,
> not moving itself from its position) in the console (text) mode? In the
> command line of the shell, in the applications too - never mind (at the
> moment) the XTerm window?

That is not how I would define "proper Delete". And therein lies the
problem. Traditionally, the key marked "<X]", "<-" or whatever, located
above the return key, have sent the ASCII DEL character. This key have
traditionally been used to delete the character to the left of the cursor.
Then came the IBM PC, and in traditional IBM style, they decided to do
things their own way. Fast forward 20 years, and some people now believe
the IBM way is the right way, while others still believe the traditional
way is the right way. Traditionally, sending a backspace is more or less
meaningless. It's an ASCII character meant to move the cursor (or printing
head) one space to the left. Don't make much sense as input, but people
are free to interpret it any way they want to. In EMACS for instance, it's
the code for getting HELP.

So, now you have confusion. Feel free to redefine the codes used for
different things, as well as defining the keyboard any way you want, but
don't expect that everyone will agree with you (I for one don't).

The key on a PC marked "DELETE"? I have no idea, nor opinion on what code
that key should send. If you want it to send a DEL as well, fine by me. I
don't use that key, and it could be a dead key for all I care.


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