Subject: Re: console scrollback ?
To: Zafer Aydogan <>
From: Mirko Thiesen <>
List: netbsd-users
Date: 12/08/2004 14:27:25
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Zafer Aydogan wrote:

> And it did. Tried to update almost everything including the core KDE
> packages but by deinstalling them first. :/

It has to be done this way. The reasons have been explained in
numerous threads, e.g. "make update hell" on the NetBSD mailing
lists recently.

> Though, that really messed up the whole system.
> I had a similar problem during updating Perl.
> Right now, everything is deinstalled, and I have to install everything 

Hm, "make update" should take care of this itself - it should rebuild all
updated packages as well as the packages depending on updated packages

> I think, not only me, but we, need a packaging system, that works far 
> easier and quicker. Like drag and drop or click and go, just install and
> run.
> I mean it's really frustating, if you like, admire and try to spread the
> word on an Operation System that you like, that is so much unflexible 
> therefore unusable.

<IMHO> I completely disagree with you on this one. PkgSrc is - and has
been for quite some time - one of NetBSD's strongest benefits. If you need
"drag and drop", why don't you use precompiled binary packages then? In
many cases, binary packages "just work".

Actually, PkgSrc _adds_ so much flexibility to NetBSD! As I said, binary
packages usually work out of the box - with default settings that should
fit the needs of the majority. If you need to change some of these
settings, values etc. and that cannot be done by tweaking a runtime
configuration, then you are left alone on many other operating systems. On
NetBSD, there is PkgSrc which provides you with all the neccessary patches
and modifications to get the software in question compiled on your system.
I can't think of more flexibility.

> Best Regards, Zafer.

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