On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Joel Rees wrote:

>
> On 2004.8.21, at 01:34 PM, Louis Guillaume wrote:
>
> >
> >> In message <20040819013039.GA47870@2004.snew.com>, Chuck Yerkes
> >> writes:
> >>> Quoting Konrad Neuwirth (konrad@mailathome.or.at):
> >>>
> >>>> Ben Collver <collver@peak.org> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 09:42:28AM -0700, Andy Ruhl wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:32:39 -0700, Ben Collver
> >>>>>> <collver@peak.org> wrote
> >>>
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, but I'd like people to develop for open standards such as
> >>>>>>> SVG.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I wouldn't suggest that it would hurt to port it to BSD.  However,
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> was being asked to advocate a proprietary standard, and happened to
> >>>>> mention a similar standard that is both open and portable.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's open and portable, but not similar.  SVG is a vector graphics
> >>>> format, Flash is an application environment that just happens to be
> >>>> largely used for animations, but that can also natively interface
> >>>> with
> >>>> SQL databases.
> >>>
> >>> I have to say that I've delighted in the plug in for a mac laptop
> >>> that lets me KILL FLASH.  Only RARELY is it not for an ad. An
> >>> annoying ad like a 4 year old saying "dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad,
> >>> hey dad, dad" while you wish you could drink yourself into oblivion.
> >>>
> >>> I used to intercept it at the home gateway, but have been using the
> >>> laptop at work and don't really want to ensquid the laptop and
> >>> selfproxy.
> >>>
> >>> Flash Bad.  Flash Annoying.
> >>>
> >>> You're signing a petition to get <BLINK> tags.
> >>>
> >> Thank you -- my feelings exactly.
> >> 		--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
> >
> >
> > ... i feel like I'm taking the bait here but anyway, I can't resist...
> >
> > My first instinct is to agree with this BUT that's like saying
> > "because I've heard music made with guitar that I don't like: Guitars
> > annoying. Guitars bad."
>
> huh? huh? Did someone say there's a port for Fenders?
>
> First toasters, now guitars. What will they port to next?
>
> Or was it a port of the Fender to NetBSD?
>
>

OK, I also don't like flash but it is often annoying since many webpages
are "pure" flash - NOT usable without it :-(((

So face the fact that flash already BECAME a kind of "standard" (like
-what I also DON'T like- the .doc file format), regardless whether it is
open or not. I signed the petition in order to get it so I can view
those shit pages without booting that windoze machine.

-Florian