Subject: Re: mail to
To: Thomas Mueller <>
From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>
List: netbsd-users
Date: 02/14/2001 18:32:43
    Date:        Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:26:02 -0500 (EST)
    From:        "Thomas Mueller" <>
    Message-ID:  <>

  | ORBS has a database of open mail relays that some ISPs use to keep out spam.

No, ORBS is a load of trash.   The solution is to simply not bother sending
e-mail to anyone who uses ORBS - if they don't want to receive mail, there's
nothing you can do to force it upon them.  So, just don't send mail to them
(and if you do, and it bounces, just trash the bounce and ignore it).

(Connecting to an ISP that filters using ORBS is just the same as choosing
to use ORBS yourself).

There's only so much pain and frustration worth going through, and attempting
to deal with either the ORBS people, or anyone who really believes that
ORBS is a solution to anything, is just way beyond rational.

(It is entirely possible that some previous user of your IP address, or
perhaps even just some other IP address in that is in the same general
netblock as yours) got themselves added to ORBS for any of a million
reasons - it need not be related to anything that you ever did).