Subject: RE: Copyrights
To: 'Chuck McManis' <cmcmanis@mcmanis.com>
From: Thomas Page <ThomasP@cat.co.za>
List: netbsd-help
Date: 09/14/1999 11:25:29
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No, not just your opinion, I agree and I think many others do to.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck McManis [SMTP:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com]
> Sent: 13 September 1999 06:36
> To: proff@suburbia.net; mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
> Cc: tech-kern@netbsd.org
> Subject: Copyrights
>
> Nicely stated Julian.
>
> At 01:53 AM 9/14/99 +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
> [a clear analysis of Mr. Wood's possible motivations]
>
> And this:
> >I completely reject the notion that providing such acknowledgements
> >is a burden. However finding then legaling every damned home grown
> >copyright *is*. But it's a burden to a handful of third-party
> >resellers. DEC's adoption of netbsd for the shark and following
> >copyright audit, produced a 750k combined copyright file, and must
> >have involved months of extremely tedious work.
>
> Having done something similar (followed all the copyrights to insure
> compliance) I agree strongly with the issue of making it easier for
> "commercial" type people to adopt NetBSD as their platform. To the
> extent
> that is done, it will have a very large hand in guaranteeing the
> success
> and longevity of the platform.
>
> I also understand the need to minimize the number of "home grown"
> copyrights although Mr. Woods seems so close to the standard BSD one
> that
> perhaps it should be added to the list of 'approved' forms. As long as
> that
> list is managable (say less than 6 variations) the legal burden of
> vetting
> them isn't unreasonable and for the most part the burden of scouring
> each
> of the files to insure they have one of the n forms is something the
> release process should take on.
>
> I strongly reject any notion that there is some "level" of
> contribution
> that determines whether or not one is added to the "authors" list.
> That
> type of thinking belongs in Hollywood, not in a rational technical
> arena.
>
> My own opinion of course,
> --Chuck
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">No, not just your =
opinion, I agree and I think many others do to.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From: </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Chuck McManis =
[SMTP:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">13 September 1999 06:36</FONT>
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FACE=3D"Arial">To: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">proff@suburbia.net; mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Cc: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">tech-kern@netbsd.org</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: </FONT>=
</B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Copyrights</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Nicely stated =
Julian.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">At 01:53 AM 9/14/99 =
+1000, Julian Assange wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">[a clear analysis =
of Mr. Wood's possible motivations]</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">And this:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>I completely =
reject the notion that providing such acknowledgements</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>is a burden. =
However finding then legaling every damned home grown</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>copyright *is*. =
But it's a burden to a handful of third-party</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>resellers. =
DEC's adoption of netbsd for the shark and following</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>copyright =
audit, produced a 750k combined copyright file, and must</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>have involved =
months of extremely tedious work. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Having done =
something similar (followed all the copyrights to insure</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">compliance) I agree =
strongly with the issue of making it easier for</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">"commercial" type people to adopt NetBSD as =
their platform. To the extent</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">that is done, it =
will have a very large hand in guaranteeing the success</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and longevity of =
the platform.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I also understand =
the need to minimize the number of "home grown"</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">copyrights although =
Mr. Woods seems so close to the standard BSD one that</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">perhaps it should =
be added to the list of 'approved' forms. As long as that</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">list is managable =
(say less than 6 variations) the legal burden of vetting</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">them isn't =
unreasonable and for the most part the burden of scouring each</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">of the files to =
insure they have one of the n forms is something the</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">release process =
should take on. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I strongly reject =
any notion that there is some "level" of contribution</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">that determines =
whether or not one is added to the "authors" list. =
That</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">type of thinking =
belongs in Hollywood, not in a rational technical arena. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My own opinion of =
course,</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">--Chuck</FONT>
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