Subject: System freezes under X.
To: None <netbsd-help@netbsd.org, port-i386@netbsd.org>
From: Richard Rauch <rkr@rkr.kcnet.com>
List: netbsd-help
Date: 08/01/1999 14:14:05
I'm not sure how general of a problem this is, so I'm posting to both
port-i386 and netbsd-help.
Ever since upgrading to 1.4 in May, I've seen my NetBSD box lock up under
semi-predictable circumstances. The general requirements seem to be:
Run X.
Do something that puts a heavy CPU strain on the system.
For the CPU strain, I can use programs such as SETI@Home (or however one
wants to spell that) and Quake II (the LINUX version). Apache is a
possible candidate, though I haven't had it up much.
Initially, I thought that it was the Quake II game, but as I said,
SETI@Home will do it. On the other hand, if I run SETI without starting
X, there's no problem. Since the SETI client has _no_ graphics support,
I hesitantly conclude that if it can (semi-reliably) crash the system
while the system is running X, there is a serious internal bug in X.
I still assumed that it was a ``nothing'', since I had configured to use
the XF86_S3V X server. S3V is not documented, and seems to be
deprecated---but IS included in 1.4's distribution. Recently, I fooled
around with getting the XF86_SVGA server to work (so far only in 8-bit
mode). Now, to my disappointment, the SVGA server crashes just like the
S3V server.
I cannot seem to get the Quake II program to run without X (perhaps I need
to download some further libraries?), so I can't be certain that Quake II,
like the SETI client, causes X to crash even when the software is
fundamentally sound.
/~~~ uname -a
NetBSD rkr.kcnet.com 1.4 NetBSD 1.4 (olibGENERIC) #10: Tue Jun 29 01:07:38
CDT 1999 root@rkr.kcnet.com:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/olibGENERIC
i386
\___ uname -a
/~~~ Symptoms
The system locks up tight. It seems to suspend network communications,
and certainly freezes the X console (even <ctrl>-<alt>-<backspace> won't
do anything). In one case, a sound sample that was playing (in Quake II)
seemed to get stuck in an endless cycle.
As near as I can tell, the machine is completely frozen at this point, and
the only way out is to cycle the power button on the CPU.
\___ Symptoms
Has anyone seen similar problems? This does NOT happen during normal use
(e.g., the daily events at 3am run normally; email is sent & received;
one can telnet or FTP, etc...). It ONLY seems to happen when one makes
heavy use of the CPU while X is up and running.
(As circumstantial evidence that X has to be running, I have managed to
get one SETI data set processed with just the wscons up. But with X
running, it locks up (as I recall) within 15 or 30 minutes.)
"I probably don't know what I'm talking about." --rkr@rkr.kcnet.com