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Index: layout.xml
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<tocentry page="Ports/next68k/index.xml" dir="next68k" filename=".">
<tocentry page="Ports/next68k/faq.xml" filename="faq.html"/>
</tocentry>
+ <tocentry page="Ports/pc532/faq.xml" dir="pc532" filename="faq.html"/>
<tocentry page="Ports/playstation2/faq.xml" dir="playstation2" filename="faq.html"/>
<tocentry page="Ports/prep/index.xml" dir="prep" filename="."/>
<tocentry page="Ports/s390/index.xml" dir="s390" filename="."/>
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# $NetBSD: Makefile,v 1.6 2005/10/14 08:59:58 rillig Exp $
-LISTDOCS+= faq.list
+XMLDOCS+= faq
.include "../../share/mk/web.site.mk"
Index: Ports/pc532/faq.xml
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+<?xml version="1.0"?>
+<!DOCTYPE webpage
+ PUBLIC "-//NetBSD//DTD Website-based NetBSD Extension//EN"
+ "http://www.NetBSD.org/share/xml/website-netbsd.dtd">
+
+<webpage id="Ports-pc532-faq">
+<config param="desc" value="NetBSD/pc532 Frequently Asked Questions"/>
+<config param="cvstag" value="$NetBSD$"/>
+<config param="rcsdate" value="$Date$"/>
+<head>
+
+<!-- Copyright (c) 1994-2007
+ The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. -->
+
+<title>NetBSD/pc532 Frequently Asked Questions</title>
+</head>
+
+<sect1 role="toc">
+<title>NetBSD/pc532 Frequently Asked Questions</title>
+
+
+<sect2 id="general">
+<title>General Questions</title>
+
+<sect3 id="what-is-a-pc532">
+<title>What is a pc532</title>
+<para>
+The pc532 is a motherboard designed in 1989 and 1990 by George Scolaro
+and Dave Rand in Sunnyvale, California. They were kind enough to
+distribute their design for others to use. What they distributed
+was FULL information about the motherboard. They also had the motherboard
+fabricated and sold them to people so they could build a working pc532.
+</para>
+<para>
+The basic features are:
+</para>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem> Motherboard mechanically fits into a PC/AT case</listitem>
+<listitem> NS32532 25 Mhz CPU (built in MMU)</listitem>
+<listitem> NS32381 25 Mhz FPU</listitem>
+<listitem> 4, 8, 16, or 32M of RAM (80nS 0/1 wait, no cache), 8 RAM Slots of 9 ICs, taking 1M or 4M.</listitem>
+<listitem> DP8490 SCSI controller chip connected to XT mechanically compatible
+4 slot expansion bus</listitem>
+<listitem> AIC6250 SCSI bus (sync or async)</listitem>
+<listitem> 4 SCN2861 DUARTS for a total of 8 serial lines (@ <= 38400)</listitem>
+<listitem> 27256 EPROM for the hardware monitor</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+<para>
+A motherboard was shipped to people who bought them with a complete
+hardware description, full schematics, and PAL/GAL programming
+information. The first general distribution of pc532s included a
+special deal where all the chips were included in the purchace. Later
+distributions included only the motherboard and buyers banded together
+to get all the chips that were needed.
+</para>
+<para>
+A owner of a pc532 designed a simple daughter board that plugs into one
+of the SCN2861 DUART slots and implements two Centronics parallel
+ports.
+</para>
+<para>
+To our certain knowledge there were less than 200 pc532 mainboards
+made. There were only 187 pc532 out in the world as of 11 Jun 1996.
+(source "Matthias Pfaller" leo@dachau.marco.de). There are many less
+running NetBSD (a couple of dozen is my (jhs) guess). The only way to
+get one today is to find someone with one they don't want and to buy it
+from them.
+</para>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="auto-boot-image">
+<title>Obtaining a copy of the auto boot ROM image</title>
+<para>
+This can be found at <ulink url="ftp://ftp.cs.wwu.edu/pub/pc532/mon.auto.tar.gz">ftp://www.cs.wwu.edu/pub/pc532/mon.auto.tar.gz</ulink>.
+</para>
+<para>
+There are two different ROM images. One for a 9600 baud console and
+one for a 19.2K baud console.
+</para>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="booting-without-autoboot-rom">
+<title>How to boot NetBSD without the autoboot ROM</title>
+<para>
+You will have to find the right place on the disk where the boot
+program lives and give the proper "<code>read ...</code>" command and then
+execute the boot program. That shouldn't be hard to do.
+</para>
+<para>
+Get the latest <ulink url="ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.5/pc532/INSTALL.html">INSTALL document</ulink>,
+and try to follow the install procedure.
+Then, before you reboot, you need to get the boot information
+if you don't have the auto-boot ROM. (If you do have it, you don't
+need the next information.)
+</para>
+
+<para>
+run bim
+</para>
+<para>
+You will get something like:
+</para>
+
+---->/usr/src/HOME/phil
+<programlisting>
+steelhead[1]# bim
+
+Disk: disk 1 Type: SCSI
+Physical Sector Size = 512
+Disk Size = 1173930
+ partition type sector start length in sectors
+ a 4.2BSD 23980 383680
+ b swap 2180 21800
+ c unknown 0 1173930
+ d boot <emphasis role="bold">2</emphasis> 2178
+ e 4.2BSD 451260 722670
+ f swap 407660 43600
+
+Boot partition = d
+Default boot image = 0
+Boot Images: total of 8
+ (image address and size in sectors.)
+Image address size load addr run addr name
+ 0 <emphasis role="bold">0</emphasis> <emphasis role="bold">32</emphasis> <emphasis role="bold">0x3e6800</emphasis> <emphasis role="bold">0x3e6820</emphasis> /usr/mdec/boot
+ 1 32 64 0x3bf000 0x3bf020 /usr/mdec/boot
+</programlisting>
+
+<para>
+From this you can easily calculate the disk address of the boot program
+and where to load it and run it. So for the above stuff, the boot
+partition starts at sector <emphasis role="bold">2</emphasis>. The boot image is at offset
+<emphasis role="bold">0</emphasis> in the boot partition. So the boot program is at sector
+<emphasis role="bold">2</emphasis> and is <emphasis role="bold">32</emphasis> sectors long. You need to load it at address
+<emphasis role="bold">0x3e6800</emphasis> and run at <emphasis role="bold">0x3e6820</emphasis>. Write that information
+down for your system and you can then give the proper ROM monitor
+commands to load the boot program and run it. All the autoboot monitor
+does is to read that information from the disklabel and the boot images
+table on the first two sectors of the disk.
+</para>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="cabletron-ethernet">
+<title>Cabletron Ethernet</title>
+<para>
+NetBSD supports some SCSI ethernet devices such as the Cabletron
+EA412/EA419. Philip L. Budne <budd@cs.bu.edu> wrote a userland daemon
+"etherd", which Ian Dall <ian.dall@dsto.defence.gov.au> used as a
+reference while writing the kernel driver
+<ulink url="http://cvsweb.NetBSD.org/bsdweb.cgi//sys/dev/scsipi/if_se.c.?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup">/sys/dev/scsipi/if_se.c.</ulink>
+They are no longer made, though you may be able to find one second
+hand, particularly on the Macintosh market.
+</para>
+<para>
+Some original mail on the subject:
+</para>
+<programlisting>
+From: Phil Budne <budd@cs.bu.edu>
+
+ > Philip Zimmerman found a little (6"x1"x3.25") Cabletron EA419 SCSI to
+ > ethernet box, and I found documentation on how to speak to it.
+
+ What does that box cost (aprox.) ?
+
+It doesn't look like this box is sold any more; However Philip Z. may
+have a line on two different sources. But in both cases it may boil
+down to "how much are you willing to pay". Since similar devices sell
+new for $200, I would hope it would be under $100.
+
+========
+
+From: Philip A Zimmermann <paz@world.std.com>
+To: Phil Budne <budd@cs.bu.edu>
+Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:55:33 -0400 (EDT)
+
+I'll look into sources. More
+may even pop up from the other subscribers out there; what I basically
+scared up, at Phil B.'s description, was a box which we used to use on
+older-style Macintoshes which had a SCSI port on the rear panel. This
+Cabletron box has a DB25 on one side and an RJ45 on the other side and a
+socket for a wall wart to provide power.
+
+I have chased a few leads today; the only positive response was from
+Cabletron Systems so far. They have 11 in stock right now in their "Good
+as New" department. They want US$175 each. Order info:
+
+(per Mike Orr)
+
+Cabletron Systems
+Good as New Dept
+PO Box 5005
+Rochester, NH 03866-5005
+U.S.A.
+
+Mike can be reached at:
+1.603.337.2108
+
+He said they trickle in occasionally. I'm still searching for other
+sources.
+
+From: paz <paz@world.std.com>
+To: pc532@bungi.com
+Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:59:28 -0500 (EST)
+
+The network "card" I'm using is a Cabletron EA419. It's probably the same
+device you've seen discussed on the mail list. It's a box with an RJ45 on
+one side and a DB25 on the other. It was originally intended to provide a
+network interface to Macintoshes with a SCSI interface which came out of
+the Mac at a DB25, I think. Cabletron has a "good as new" department where
+refurbs of this unit can be gotten for ~US$150, if memory serves
+correctly. I'm uncertain how many pc532s are so equipped right now; I just
+hacked mine onto a Vector ISA prototyping card so it would plug into the
+pc532 SCSI expansion bus. I got it running over the past weekend. Seems to
+be working fine.
+</programlisting>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="et532-ethernet">
+<title>Last ET532 Ethernet Project Progress Report</title>
+<para>
+As far as I can determine, the et532 was a project to build a ethernet capable
+pcb for pc532s.
+</para>
+<para>
+This report from Julian Stacey <jhs@freebsd.org>
+</para>
+
+<sect4 id="latest_photoplot_info">
+<title>Latest Photoplot Info.:</title>
+<para>
+Main Board photoplot is done
+(George, anything I should check for ?)
+Serial piggy back Board photoplot not done yet.
+</para>
+</sect4>
+<sect4 id="pcb_quotes">
+<title>PCB Quotes:</title>
+<para>
+Anyone who feels like getting us quotes from board manufacturers,
+please go ahead, all the info's up for ftp, help yourself :-)
+</para>
+</sect4>
+<sect4 id="strange_idea">
+<title>STRANGE IDEA - COMMENTS PLEASE:</title>
+<para>
+Thanks to Phil, NetBSD now runs on the PC532 :-) ....
+If we increase the number of ET532 boards made, it's cheaper, so:
+2 Scenarios:
+</para>
+
+<orderedlist>
+<listitem><para>Us `good old guys' owning PC532s can buy cheap GX32 CPUs
+ (with no MMU) to drive the card as an ethernet peripheral.</para></listitem>
+<listitem><para>Maybe some of the software guys in the Net & FreeBSD
+ worlds might also like to buy a card, equip it with
+ a full 32532, & build a truly fully sourced
+ (hardware & software) system, that has
+ CPU & MMU (but no ICU or FPU), has ethernet &
+ up to 16 serial ports & a SCSI bus.</para></listitem>
+</orderedlist>
+<para>
+No doubt the class (2); guy might prefer an ICU & FPU too,
+but nobody's doing a PC532 PCB run so that option is not available
+Anyway, maybe class (2); folk might increase total board quantity
+& reduce prices for us class (1) folk ?
+Is this daft ? or Should we offer it to the Net & Free BSD lists ?
+Comments Please.
+</para>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem><para>KHE asked <quote>Where'd the power go in ?</quote></para></listitem>
+<listitem><para>Answer: Connect power wires to an edge connector socket
+ plugging on board; & use CONN2 for SCSI ribbon.</para></listitem>
+<listitem><para>Question from me: <quote>Would class (2); users _need_
+an ICU & FPU ?</quote></para></listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+</sect4>
+<sect4 id="orders">
+<title>GERBERS</title>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem><para>George's gerber info is available via ftp from
+ col.hp.com:misc/ns32k/et532/[gerber & schema]
+ nic.funet.fi:/pub/misc/pc532/et532</para></listitem>
+<listitem><para>George wrote to me:
+ Drill tapes depend on the PCB house. At the very least
+ they will want the film of the drill gerber layer,
+ at the most they will want a drill tape. If they want a
+ drill tape, the photo shop can extract the drill gerber
+ file layer and generate a drill tape - at least my photo
+ shop did that.</para></listitem>
+<listitem><para>Files available include:</para>
+
+ <programlisting>
+ cfg:
+ ether.cfg schema.cfg ser.cfg
+ doc:
+ copeth.doc dramc.doc ether.bom ser.bom
+ dec32.doc dramen.doc ether.txt wait.doc
+ gerber:
+ ether1.gbr ether4.gbr etherdrl.gbr ser1.gbr serslk.gbr
+ ether2.gbr ether5.gbr etherslk.gbr ser2.gbr sersmk.gbr
+ ether3.gbr ether6.gbr ethersmk.gbr serdrl.gbr
+ lbr:
+ local.lbr
+ pals:
+ copeth.jed dec32.jed dramc.jed dramen.jed wait.jed
+ copeth.tdl dec32.tdl dramc.tdl dramen.tdl wait.tdl
+ postscript:
+ ether.s01 ether.s03 ether.s05 ether.s07 ser.s01
+ ether.s02 ether.s04 ether.s06 ether.s08 ser.s02
+ schema:
+ ether.p01 ether.p03 ether.p05 ether.p07 ser.p01
+ ether.p02 ether.p04 ether.p06 ether.p08 ser.p02
+ </programlisting>
+</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="pcbs">
+<title>PCBs</title>
+<para>
+George long ago wrote:</para>
+
+<blockquote>The et532 is a 6 layer PC/AT sized (but with 62 pin SCSI)
+ board. The piggyback board (after a bit of a fight with
+ the CAD software) is a 2 layer board and is around 5.5" x 3.5".
+ It plugs into the middle area of the et532 on two connectors
+ that carry all the serial (TTL) signals up from the 2 OCTARTs.
+ There are also 3 sets of holes on both boards that line up
+ and enable nylon standoffs to support the piggyback board.
+</blockquote>
+
+<para>
+Michael Hermann & Steve Liggett asked stats on PCBS, to get us prices,
+well I havent counted number of holes on pcb (freq Q. that), but:
+</para>
+
+<para>ET532 Layers:</para>
+<itemizedlist><listitem>Silkscreen</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder mask</listitem>
+ <listitem>Component layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Inner layer #1</listitem>
+ <listitem>Ground Layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Power Layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Inner Layer #2</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder Layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder Mask</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+<para>
+No surface mount devices as per PC532 (I assume George ?)
+I presume we call this `6 layer' as far as PCB manufacturers
+are concerned ?</para>
+
+<para>Daughter Board Layers:</para>
+
+<itemizedlist><listitem>Silkscreen</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder mask</listitem>
+ <listitem>Component layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder layer</listitem>
+ <listitem>Solder mask</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="serial_pcb">
+<title>SERIAL PCB</title>
+<para>
+The 2 serial chips go on the piggy back serial card.
+I asked George Scolaro:</para>
+
+ <programlisting>
+ > > - Do we also need to make piggy back octart PCBs ?
+ > Only if you want to have more serial ports.
+ Looking at George's ET532 schematics:
+ The ET532 can take 2 * SCC2698, each 2698 supports
+ EIGHT serial ports ! The optional `piggy back' board
+ has 16 * 145406, 16 * DIL Headers, Caps, & 2 Long DILs
+ to connect to ET532 main board.
+ For the ET532 to function just as an ethernet card, it should not be
+ necessary to populate the 2698 sockets, nor to have a piggy back card.
+ I do however foresee need for a few of us to have one serial port,
+ as I guess software development'll probably go in 3 stages:
+ 1 Write/debug eprom for ET532 to talk to a serial port
+ (& prove hardware design works)
+ 2 Extend ET532 monitor to talk over SCSI bus to some kind
+ of software interface on the PC532, so PC532 can download
+ code to ET532 & set breakpoints etc ?.
+ 3 Develop ET532 ethernet code & ET532/PC532 higher level
+ protocols etc.
+ Main thing is to get the ET532 PCBs fabricated :-) .
+ Daniel Berglund <db@etek.chalmers.se> wrote 3-94:
+ > > > It's probably not hard to temporarily wire in a 2681
+ > > > (or whatever they are called,
+ > > SCC 2698
+ > Nope. I mean a 2681, they are cheaper. That's my point: if you
+ > want only one serial port for debugging until the firmware is done,
+ > then you probably want to avoid expensive octuarts (2698).
+ </programlisting>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="ic_costs">
+<title>IC COSTS</title>
+<para>
+All these are very old figures, & need to be confirmed:
+Bryan Davis bdavis@netcom.com said</para>
+
+<programlisting>
+ > from the Bay Area....
+ > Hamilton/Avnet (a distributor for National)
+ > 1-24 25-99 100+
+ > NS32GX32-ANU20 $110.00 $95.00 $86.50
+ > NS32532-25 $825.00 $685.00 $595.00
+</programlisting>
+<para>
+Mark_Geisert@l66a.ladc.bull.com said
+</para>
+<programlisting>
+ > Bell Industries, a NatSemi distributor in California,
+ > QTY1-24 QTY25-99 QTY100-999
+ > NS32GX32U-20 90.00 78.50 71.00
+ > NS32GX32U-25 100.00 91.00 83.00
+ > NS32GX32U-30 120.00 105.00 95.00</programlisting>
+
+<para>
+johnc@manatee.UUCP (john connin) Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:16:47 GMT said:</para>
+
+<programlisting>
+ > it might be easier and cheaper to pull the ethernet
+ > related parts from a no-name 8-bit ethernet card.
+ Are the parts the same as I posted in George's build list ?</programlisting>
+
+<para>
+Could someone please ask at a US West Coast IC shop, what an IC kit
+price would cost, as per build list (presumably a) excluding GX32,
+b) 1 off & ~25 off pricing ).
+( I believe jkh@whisker.hubbard.ie can provide
+names of California IC shops for someone in the USA to phone. )
+</para>
+
+<para>
+The ether-bom (Bill Of Materials) is available via ftp
+to enable pricing exercises.
+Don't ask me, I'm in the wrong country for cheap or easily available
+prices, VOLUNTEERS PLEASE !</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="total_project_cost">
+<title>TOTAL PROJECT COST</title>
+<para>
+This PCB order list does NOT commit you to IC purchase,
+If short of cash, you can enroll on what will be a once
+only ET532 cheap PCB fabrication run, then some time later buy the ICs.
+I dont know board cost yet, as soon as I do I'll post the info,
+As always, no one's done a chip costing exercise,
+so as always, before people ask, Nope ! I don't know !
+Photoplots'll were free (I'll probably buy the guy a meal to say thanks)
+</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="ic_kit_distrib">
+<title>IC KIT DISTRIBUTION</title>
+<para>
+Hopefully someone(s) will consider doing IC bulk purchase & kit
+distribution. (doesnt need to be same person who does pricing
+investigations, but shouldnt be me, USA should be better purchase
+& distribution point than Germany)
+Steve Liggett maybe ?</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="software">
+<title>SOFTWARE:</title>
+<para>
+Dave Rand <dlr@daver.bungi.com> mailed to say</para>
+
+ <blockquote>
+ "I have the software for the Ethernet already done, including
+ an Ethernet-based monitor, and DOS client. I'll do the low-level
+ Ethernet driver (tricky, 'cause you have to handle the special cases)."
+ </blockquote>
+<para>
+(so I assume you want 3 PCBs bdale ? )
+<quote>Rennolet (Kumar)</quote> <rennolet@cs.umn.edu> said Wed Oct 7</para>
+
+ <blockquote>
+ "I will help write the drivers."
+ </blockquote>
+
+<para>
+21 May 1996: Mark Mason <mason@ease.com> interested in helping.</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="more_info">
+<title>MORE INFO</title>
+<para>
+Please dont anyone mail me private questions about:
+</para>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem>the ET532 architecture: I'm Not the designer - George Scolaro is.</listitem>
+<listitem>PCB or Total project pricings: What I know is presented here.</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+<para>
+More can be learnt by looking at the Gerber diagrams.
+George long ago wrote:
+</para>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem>20MHz 32gx32, no FPU.</listitem>
+<listitem>1M/4M DRAM (256kx4 or 1mx4) 100ns or faster, fast page mode.
+ same performance as pc532 (except at 20MHz, i.e. 40Mbytes/sec)</listitem>
+<listitem>128kx8 EPROM (200ns or faster) Boot EPROM, runtime code is
+ downloaded from pc532 etc. into DRAM.</listitem>
+<listitem>16 serial channels with full modem control (Signetics SCN2698B
+ octart) RX,TX,RTS,CTS,DTR,DCD (modem support)</listitem>
+<listitem>Ethernet, thin (cheapernet) and thick (DB15 connector) NS chipset</listitem>
+<listitem>SCSI, DP8490 (via 62pin edge connector and 50 pin SCSI connector)</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="strategy">
+<title>STRATEGY</title>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem>would everyone who's not responded in 1994 please email me with
+ a new updated single line entry for the list below, thanks.</listitem>
+<listitem>We need to confirm IC (inc CPU) pricings & project costs
+ if you want a new build list posted, let me know.</listitem>
+<listitem>Please do Not distract by saying
+ <quote>wouldnt it be nice with the new super duper WIBNI ether chip</quote>
+ unless you're prepared to design & deliver gerber's to me
+ using that design.</listitem>
+<listitem>If true, Please Do feel free to say <quote>ET532 is obsolete,
+ the CPU price is horrendous, I say abort project</quote></listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+<para>
+IE <quote>GO/NO GO</quote> but no WIBNIs (Wouldnt It Be Nice If's) please,
+Thanks :-)</para>
+
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="help">
+<title>HELP</title>
+
+<para>
+This periodic bulletin is produced by me to coordinate us, but
+the cards will not be produced without much help though,
+I'm too lazy/busy for anyone to rely on me pushing it
+as a one man band; right now next thing we need to do is
+confirm IC pricings.
+I shall ignore any email that asks `how much will the whole thing cost'
+(I've been asked before, often) - It's a valid & important question,
+but as I've said before, I dont know, I'd like to, but I don't.
+Please help us by getting quotes on 25 off chip sets !</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="corrections">
+<title>CORRECTIONS</title>
+<para>
+Corrections to this file are welcomed, please mail me.
+</para>
+<para>
+Please hand forward this notice to dormant pc532 friends who may have
+fallen off the pc532 list, or changed their mail address.</para>
+</sect4>
+
+<sect4 id="pcb_order_list">
+<title>PCB ORDER LIST</title>
+
+<programlisting>
+A = Number of ET532 PCBs you will pay for, ie
+B = Number of optional Serial piggy back pcbs you will pay for
+C = Number of glue chip IC kits you will later want.
+D = Number of GX32 CPUs you will want
+E = Email
+F = Real Name
+G = Date of last communication
+H = Comment
+@ = Date person last confirmed PCB order info.
+
+# PCBs ; EMAIL shown by "From:" ; .signature EMAIL NAME ; HUMAN NAME ; COMMENT
+
+SERIOUS INTEREST in 96
+A B C D E F G H
+1 1 1 1 jhs@freebsd.org Julian Stacey @May96 $ Dependent
+1 1 1 1 eyal@eyal.emu.id.au Eyal Lebedinsky @May96 $ Dependent
+1 1 1 1 admin@maxrnd.com Mark Geisert @May96
+1 ? ? 0 leo@marco.de Mathias Pfaller @May96 will swap 32532 chip for pcb
+1 ? ? ? phil@cs.wwu.edu Phil Nelson @May96 PCB <$100
+1 1 1 1 mason@ease.com Mark Mason @May96 PCB <$100
+1 1 1 1 n1epo4tl@ibmmail.com Stuart Arnold @May96 cond. on $
+1 ? 1 1 sverre_froyen@nrel.gov Sverre Froyen @Apr96 cond. on $
+? ? ? ? jdl@jdl.com Jon Loeliger @May96
+1 1 0 0 antsu@sandra.pp.fi Antti-Pekka @May96
+1 0 1 1 Ian.Dall@dsto.defence.gov.au Ian Dall @May96
+1 0 1 1 ricker@erols.com Rick Rodman @May96
+1 1 1 1 kls@chicago.com Karl Swartz @May96
+------------
+From paz@world.std.com (Philip A Zimmermann)
+Name email quant date comment
+Dave Rand dlr@daver.bungi.com 1 20May96 can src files
+Robert Vincent bert@willowpond.com 1? 20May96 maybe. $;parts avail?
+P. Zimmermann paz@world.std.com 1 20May96 do fab?
+Lee Damon nomad@castle.org 1 20May96 two hands, tho'.
+Julian Stacey jhs@freebsd.org ? 21May96 ET proponent
+Sverre Froyen sverre@sst.nrel.gov 1? 21May96 if < $?, parts avail?
+Raymond Wiker etorwi@eto.ericsson.se 1? 21May96 if bare pcb <$100
+Mark Mason mason@ease.com 1 21May96 write drivers for...
+Eyal Lebedinsky eyal@eyal.emu.id.au 1 22May96 want serial also
+------------------
+
+YES - DEFINITE PCB ORDER in 94
+1 1 1 1 tbr@tfic.bc.ca Tom Rushworth @Feb94
+1 1 1 1 etorwi@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se Raymond Wiker @Feb94 Bd<$300 ex RAM
+1 ? ? ? pete@pelican.com Pete Carah @Feb94 Bd<$300 NoMain532 FreeBSD
+1 1 1 1 fellows@unb.ca David Fellows @Feb94
+1 ? ? 0 via leo@marco.de Tjeerd Mulder @Feb94
+1 0 1 1 neil@skatter.usask.ca Neil Johnson @Feb94
+1 1 1 ? marcb@werj.com.au Marc Boschma @Mar94
+1 1 1 0 dlr@daver.bungi.com Dave Rand @Mar94
+1 1 1 1 rjohnson@mpr.ca Robbin Johnson @Mar94 cond. on $
+1 1 1 0 nomad@CASTLE.ORG Lee Damon @Mar94 < $100/pcb
+1 1 1 1 khe@pcs.dec.com KarlHeinz Eckmeier @Apr94
+1 1 1 1 jonb@metronet.com Jon Buller @May96 BD<$100
+ ( Jon Buller, 2301 Pebble Vale #2121, Plano, TX 75075, (214) 422-3051 )
+ ( email goes away between semesters, but really wants one! )
+ ( email address from a 11-94 posting)
+2 ? ? ? bdavis@netcom.com Bryan Davis @Dec93
+
+PEOPLE WHO'VE NOT MAILED YES/NO IN 1994 - PLEASE MAIL ME YES/NO
+0 ? ? ? gj@pcs.dec.com Gary Jennejohn
+1 ? ? ? jkh@whisker.hubbard.ie Jordan K. Hubbard
+0 0 0 0 gs@chips.com George Scolaro
+1 0 ? ? mch@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Michael Hermann
+3 ? ? ? bdale@gag.com + Fred & John Bdale Garbee If drvr
+1 ? ? ? rennolet@cs.umn.edu Kumar Rennolet
+1 ? ? ? john.connin@OAU.ORG John Connin
+1 ? ? ? ackley@banana.cis.ohio-state.edu john@softspace.com John James Ackley
+0 0 0 0 sef@kithrup.COM Sean Eric Fagan
+0 0 0 0 glowell@allegro.com Gary Lowell
+0 0 0 0 frank@ginger.sri.com Victor Frank
+0 0 0 0 mem@zwac.mv.com Mark Mallett
+0 0 0 0 rhyde@ucrengr.ucr.edu Randy Hyde
+0 0 0 0 montana!asgard@convex J.R. Stoner
+0 0 0 0 david@marvin.jpl.oz.au David Magnay
+0 0 0 0 bolo@cs.wisc.edu Joe Burger
+
+NO DEFINITELY NOT
+0 0 0 0 jvh@microsoft.com Johannes Helander @ 21 May 1996
+0 0 0 0 tom@lajax.pp.fi Tom Javen @Mar94
+0 0 0 0 mattias@lysator.liu.se Mattias Olofsson @Mar94
+0 0 0 0 gtw@img.com.au Grant Waldram @Apr94 (info from marcb
+-- --
+</programlisting>
+
+<programlisting>
+From: paz@world.std.com (Philip A Zimmermann)
+To: pc532@bungi.com
+Subject: ET532 news.
+Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:48:50 GMT
+
+I started compiling a list of interested parties; I have to append
+Julian's list from when things went dormant and contact those people to
+see if they're still interested. Here's what I've got so far:
+
+[ SEE MERGED LIST ABOVE ]
+
+I'm currently working on the BOM, trying to source the difficult parts.
+I'll get pricing when the number of participants is firmed up. I am
+willing to help source the difficult parts (doing a quantity buy on the
+'GX, etc. will probably help costs), but would rather not source the
+popcorn & glue. Offhand, I'd say that it would be worthwhile to have
+ET532 go to fab if the lot size is ~25.
+
+I've had a good deal of experience dealing with pcb vendors over the
+years, and especially lately. I appreciate the concern for keeping the
+pcb fab cost down. My experiences lately have been with some vendors
+who've done quick-turn jobs for us. Some of the consequences besides
+higher costs have been poor quality, e.g. over-etching (where traces
+disappear and the reappear an inch or so away), under-etching (causing
+shorts between traces) and warpage (a problem if the product is a card to
+be inserted into a cage). I know of companies which do high-quality work
+and am hopeful that if we accept a longer delivery time, an acceptable,
+affordable and reliable product will result. No one likes finding out
+AFTER paying for and constructing a six-layer pcb that a few traces on
+some buried (inner) layer are open-circuited or shorted out due to poor
+fab quality. (Gets off soap-box.)
+
+Some things are sketchy on the BOM; I'm hoping to submit my questions to
+Dave Rand off-list for clarification, then add sourcing info to BOM.
+
+I'm only interested in doing smaller step at a time, i.e., ET532 first, if
+it's still practical. Then, if that works out and there's enough interest,
+I may be prepared to help out with the serial daughtercard. I just don't
+want to be overwhelmed with too much all at one time.</programlisting>
+</sect4>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="pc532-maillist">
+<title>pc532 project mail list and archive</title>
+<para>
+There is a pc532 project mail list, archived by <dlr@bungi.com>:
+</para>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem>List address is <ulink url="mailto:pc532@bungi.com">pc532@bungi.com</ulink></listitem>
+<listitem>Subscribe via <ulink
+ url="mailto:pc532-request@bungi.com">pc532-request@bungi.com</ulink>.</listitem>
+<listitem>Mail archive at <ulink
+ url="http://www.bungi.com/pc532/">http://www.bungi.com/pc532/</ulink>.
+ There is a lot in there, but it makes for an interesting journey back
+ through time. In particular <code>pcdig76.Z</code> contains some interesting
+ postings.</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+</sect3>
+
+<sect3 id="other-resources">
+<title>Other ftp and www resources</title>
+
+<itemizedlist>
+
+<listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/misc/pc532/misc/NetBSD/bin/X11/">ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/misc/pc532/misc/NetBSD/bin/X11/</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Person:</emphasis> Antti-Pekka Virtanen <ulink
+ url="mailto:antsu@sandra.pp.fi">antsu@sandra.pp.fi</ulink></listitem>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Description:</emphasis> /usr/X11R6 8,552,833 bytes Machine was maybe
+ for sale<programlisting>
+ Lemminkaisenkatu 15 A 8, FIN-20520 Turku, Finland.
+ Cell. : Intl. +358 400 789 753 <- Preferred
+ Tel. : Intl. +358 21 236 0025
+ Packet: OH1YF@OH1RBU.TKU.FIN.EU (Ham Radio)</programlisting></listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+<listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/misc/pc532/Culbertson/mon.auto.tar.Z">ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/misc/pc532/Culbertson/mon.auto.tar.Z</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Description:</emphasis> eprom image.hex.* files</listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+<listitem><ulink url="ftp://augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au">ftp://augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Description:</emphasis> Eprom images somewhere.</listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+<listitem><ulink url="ftp://philbudne.ne.mediaone.net/pc532/">ftp://philbudne.ne.mediaone.net/pc532/</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Person:</emphasis> Phil Budne <ulink
+ url="mailto:budd@cs.bu.edu">budd@cs.bu.edu</ulink></listitem>
+ <listitem><emphasis role="bold">Description:</emphasis> newmon.tar.gz & forth.tar.gz ... May 1997: I've
+ tweaked the sources for Jordan's Forth and Phil's autoboot monitor to
+ build under NetBSD.</listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+<listitem>
+<ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/">ftp://ftp.funet.fi/</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mach/pc532-bin/">pub/mach/pc532-bin</ulink>
+ -- Mach binaries.</listitem>
+ <listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mach/pc532-src/">pub/mach/pc532-src</ulink>
+ -- <ulink url="mailto:jvh@cs.hut.fi">jvh@cs.hut.fi</ulink></listitem>
+ <listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/misc/pc532/hardware-docs/et532/">pub/misc/pc532/hardware-docs/et532</ulink>
+ -- As sent to <ulink url="mailto:antsu@utu.fi">antsu@utu.fi</ulink> by
+ <ulink url="mailto:jhs@freebsd.org">jhs@freebsd.org</ulink></listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+<listitem>
+<ulink url="ftp://ftp.isy.liu.se/">ftp://ftp.isy.liu.se/</ulink>
+ <itemizedlist>
+ <listitem>
+ <ulink
+ url="ftp://ftp.isy.liu.se/pub/32k/PC532/">pub/32k/PC532</ulink> --
+ gerber, mail-list, pals, pcbinfo, schema, software.
+ </listitem>
+ </itemizedlist>
+</listitem>
+
+</itemizedlist>
+
+</sect3>
+</sect2>
+
+<sect2 id="other_info">
+<title>Other sources of information</title>
+<sect3 id="other_info_nbsd">
+<title>Other information on NetBSD.org</title>
+<itemizedlist>
+<listitem><ulink url="ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-1.5/pc532/INSTALL.html">
+ NetBSD 1.5 install notes</ulink> - supported hardware and how to install.</listitem>
+<listitem><ulink url="../../MailingLists/#port-pc532"> port-pc532 mail list</ulink>
+ - if you have any additional questions please subscribe.</listitem>
+<listitem><ulink url="../../Documentation/">General NetBSD Documentation</ulink>
+ - for questions not specific to NetBSD/pc532.</listitem>
+</itemizedlist>
+</sect3>
+</sect2>
+</sect1>
+<parentsec url="./" text="NetBSD/pc532 ports page"/>
+</webpage>
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