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Re: bin/60496: Locale-dependent UTF-8 issue over SSH session

The following reply was made to PR bin/60496; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Thomas Dreibholz <dreibh%simula.no@localhost>
To: gnats-bugs%netbsd.org@localhost, kre%netbsd.org@localhost, gnats-admin%netbsd.org@localhost,
 netbsd-bugs%netbsd.org@localhost
Cc: riastradh%NetBSD.org@localhost
Subject: Re: bin/60496: Locale-dependent UTF-8 issue over SSH session
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2026 16:36:45 +0200

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 Subject: Re: bin/60496: Locale-dependent UTF-8 issue over SSH session
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     <p>Hi,</p>
     <p>the same issue also occurs under Solaris (OpenIndiana 2026.04)
       -&gt; <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
         href=3D"https://www.illumos.org/issues/18283";
         class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.illumos.org/issues/18=
 283</a>.</p>
     <p>Background: I am making automated installations of VMs using the
       Virtual Machine Image Builder and System Installation Scripts (<a
         moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
         href=3D"https://www.nntb.no/~dreibh/vmimage-builder-scripts/";
         class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.nntb.no/~dreibh/vmima=
 ge-builder-scripts/
       </a>; Git: <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
         href=3D"https://github.com/simula/nornet-vmimage-builder-scripts"=
 
         class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/simula/nornet-=
 vmimage-builder-scripts</a>),
       which generate VMs with different operating system installations
       and certain sets of applications. A package installed on all
       systems is System-Tools (<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
         href=3D"https://www.nntb.no/~dreibh/system-tools/";
         class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.nntb.no/~dreibh/syste=
 m-tools/</a>
       ; Git: <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
         href=3D"https://github.com/dreibh/system-tools";
         class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/dreibh/system-=
 tools</a>),
       which displays login banners and basic information about the
       system (like memory and storage status with locale-dependent
       formatting, i.e. "%'6.0f" or "%'d", etc.), automatically on
       log-in. System-Tools supports i18n, i.e. it can work with
       different locales and translations.<br>
       Therefore, it is possible to see the output of the same software
       under different operating systems and locale settings. The
       observed issue occurs under NetBSD and OpenIndiana, but not under
       FreeBSD, OpenBSD and different Linux distributions.</p>
     <p>Some testing on different systems:</p>
     <p><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">#!/usr/bin/en=
 v
           bash<br>
           uname -a<br>
           LC_ALL=3Dnb_NO.UTF-8 printf "%'d\n" 12345<br>
           LC_ALL=3Dnb_NO.UTF-8 printf "%'d\n" 12345 | hexdump<br>
           LC_ALL=3Dfr_FR.UTF-8 printf "%'d\n" 12345<br>
           LC_ALL=3Dfr_FR.UTF-8 printf "%'d\n" 12345 | hexdump</span><br>
         <br>
       </span>Linux (Ubuntu 24.04):</p>
     <p><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Linux
           besserud.proxmox.crnalab.net 6.17.0-35-generic
           #35~24.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue May 26 19:30:42 UTC
           2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
         </span><br>
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       </span>FreeBSD (15.1-RELEASE):</p>
     <p><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">FreeBSD
           lillevann.proxmox.crnalab.net 15.1-RELEASE FreeBSD
           15.1-RELEASE releng/15.1-n283562-96841ea08dcf GENERIC amd64
         </span><br>
         12=C2=A0345
         <br>
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 =C2=A0<br>
         0000008
         <br>
         12=E2=80=AF345
         <br>
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 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
         0000009</span></p>
     <p>Solaris (OpenIndiana 2026.04):</p>
     <p><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">SunOS
           localhost 5.11 illumos-4648b9b8c3 i86pc i386 i86pc
         </span><br>
         12=EF=BF=BD345
         <br>
         0000000 3231 33c2 3534 000a =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0<br>
         0000007
         <br>
         12=EF=BF=BD345
         <br>
         0000000 3231 33c2 3534 000a =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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         0000007</span></p>
     <p>OpenBSD 7.9:<br>
       <span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"><span
             style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
               style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">OpenBSD
               localhost.lan 7.9 GENERIC.MP#4 amd64
             </span><br>
             12345
             <br>
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 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
             0000006
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             12345
             <br>
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 =A0=C2=A00a35
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 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
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     <p>NetBSD 11.0_RC7:</p>
     <p><span style=3D"font-family:monospace"><span
           style=3D"color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">NetBSD
           localhost 11.0_RC7 NetBSD 11.0_RC7 (CUSTOM_SCTP) #0: Sat Jul
           25 10:06:00 UTC 2026
           =C2=A0root@:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/CUSTOM_SCTP amd64
         </span><br>
         12=EF=BF=BD345
         <br>
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 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0<br>
         0000007
         <br>
         12=EF=BF=BD345
         <br>
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 =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0<br>
         0000007</span></p>
     <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Den 25.07.2026 07:15, skrev Robert Elz=
 
       via gnats:<br>
     </div>
     <blockquote type=3D"cite"
       cite=3D"mid:20260725051504.3C6DA1A923D%mollari.NetBSD.org@localhost">
       <pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"moz-quote-pre">The following reply was made=
  to PR bin/60496; it has been noted by GNATS.
 
 From: Robert Elz <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:kre@mu=
 nnari.OZ.AU">&lt;kre%munnari.OZ.AU@localhost&gt;</a>
 To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:gnats-bugs@netbs=
 d.org">gnats-bugs%netbsd.org@localhost</a>
 Cc:=20
 Subject: Re: bin/60496: Locale-dependent UTF-8 issue over SSH session
 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2026 12:09:11 +0700
 
      Date:        Fri, 24 Jul 2026 15:10:00 +0000 (UTC)
      From:        <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:dreib=
 h@simula.noviagnats">"dreibh%simula.no@localhost via gnats"</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt=
 -link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:gnats-admin%NetBSD.org@localhost";>&lt;gnats-admin@Ne=
 tBSD.org&gt;</a>
      Message-ID:  <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:20260=
 724151000.AEC3C1A923D%mollari.NetBSD.org@localhost">&lt;20260724151000.AEC3C1A923D@=
 mollari.NetBSD.org&gt;</a>
 =20
    | In the console, the "&amp;#65533;" is shown as space, so the issue
    | is not visible there.
 =20
  It is the substitution character, used for invalid values,
  which in different environments can appear as almost anything.
 =20
  I will deal with the decimal point issues that Taylor pointed out
  the FreeBSD fix for first, though those are (kind of) unrelated to this =
 PR,
  as they're simpler changes, and then deal with the grouping character
  (the thousands_sep case, though "thousands" isn't necessarily it)
  that is, the issue here, after that.
 =20
  In this case I am not sure that the immediate problem isn't an issue
  with the locale definition however.  What do you expect to see in the
  Norweigan locale for this?   If it is the same as the German version,
  then nothing I do to fix printf (printf(1) or printf(3) - here printf(1)=
 
  is simply printing whatever printf(3) produces) will achieve that, as th=
 e
  German locale has the grouping character set to '.', whereas Norweigan
  locale has the grouping character defined to be 0xFFFF which seems to me=
 
  to be an implausible value (unless perhaps it is intended to suppress
  grouping), but so does the French (fr_FR at least) locale, so perhaps th=
 at
  value does mean something special to the locale compiler (beyond my sphe=
 re
  of influence for sure).
 =20
  I can however, with FreeBSD's assistance, fix things so that multi-byte
  values (such as an unbreakable space, as one possibility) which exist in=
 
  the compiled locale module, work as they should.
 =20
  kre
 =20
 =20
 </pre>
     </blockquote>
     <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20
 Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Med vennlig hilsen
 
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  Thomas Dreibholz
 
  Simula Metropolitan Centre for Digital Engineering
  Centre for Resilient Networks and Applications
  Stensberggata 27
  0170 Oslo, Norway
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  E-Mail:     <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:dreibh@=
 simula.no">dreibh%simula.no@localhost</a>
  Homepage:   <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://simula.no/=
 people/dreibh">http://simula.no/people/dreibh</a>
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