Subject: Re: mach
To: John E. Clark <email@example.com>
From: Bill Johnston <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 03/22/1994 15:38:09
>First question is 'what ruling in the US/BSD case?'.
The USL vs. UCB and BSDI case was settled out of court,
I believe. I don't think that there was any `ruling'.
I've appended a copy of an announcement that was posted
at the time.
>and second, 'What need for 'apple-paper-to-sign''.
The author(s?) of MacMach obtained some assistance from Apple,
for which they were required to attach terms that prevent MacMach
in its present form from being freely redistributable. The only
"paper to sign" that I know of is the "MacMach End-User" license,
which one has to sign before they'll let you install the software,
which is done over the net using "sup" (software update protocol).
Presumably this end-user license includes details of the requirements
tacked on by Apple, but the kicker is that before one can qualify
to install MacMach, you need to have an internet connection (ie,
and ethernet hookup and your own IP address) _AND_ a BSD4.3 license
from the University of California which in turn requires either
a UNIX/32V, SYSTEM III or SYSTEM V source license from USL.
In theory, the latter requirement could change if CMU decided
to update MacMach to use a BSD-4.4Lite-based unix server, but
that doesn't seem likely from what I've heard.
So if you want Mac for the Mac, the only realistic option
at present is MachTen from Tenon. If you want to port Mach 3.0
with an eye to eventually using it as the basis for running
the GNU Hurd, it would probably be better to start from
scratch and port glibc and Mach 3.0 so that they run native,
like MacBSD. Maybe the guy who wrote MacMach (Zon Williamson,
I think) could help in this, assuming that at least some of
his work is available unencumbered by his obligations to Apple.
Note that the current MacMach works only on the machines
that now run (or could in principle run) the current MacBSD,
ie, Mac II, IIx, IIcx, IIci, and SE/30. In addition to those,
MacMach is supposed to run on the IIfx. However, there is
no support for the LCs, PowerBooks, 68040-based Macs, or the
new PowerPCs. In other words, the current MacMach doesn't run
on any Mac that is now being sold by Apple.
That's all I know about MacMach ... and I can't guarantee
the accuracy or current-ness of what I've written above,
which is just a summary of info that is available from CMU.
For more info one could subscribe to MACMACH@CS.CMU.EDU by
sending mail to MACMACH-REQUEST@CS.CMU.EDU.
Here is the announcement regarding the UCB/BSDI vs. USL
From: email@example.com (John Gilmore)
Subject: UCB/USL lawsuit settled!
Date: 8 Feb 1994 04:18:21 -0500
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
From: bostic@vangogh.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Bostic)
Subject: UCB/USL lawsuit settled
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. and the University
of California, Berkeley have announced they have reached an
agreement resolving their disputes. The settlement clears
the way for the University to release a new, unencumbered
version of the Berkeley 4.4 BSD operating system software,
to be called 4.4 BSD-Lite.
Ray Noorda, Chairman of Novell, Inc., which
recently acquired USL, called the settlement an "excellent
example of what can be accomplished by cooperation between
the business and academic communities." Mr. Noorda stated
that "the settlement permits the University to accomplish
its goals but preserves USL's legitimate interest in
protecting its intellectual property."
David Hodges, Dean of the College of Engineering
at University of California, Berkeley, said that the
settlement "once again allows the University to resume its
leading role of providing computer software technology
transfer to industry. By providing wide distribution of 4.4
BSD-Lite with minimal restrictions on its use, the
University will continue to be the focal point for both
software research in and commercial development of truly
The University of California was one of the
earliest licensees of UNIX operating system software, origi-
nally developed at AT&T's Bell Laboratories. In the 1980s,
Berkeley's Computer Systems Research Group issued a series
of "Berkeley Software Distributions" containing
modifications to the UNIX software. However, because of
licensing restrictions, public access to the source code for
many of those modifications has been limited to firms
holding licenses from USL, which acquired the rights to the
UNIX system from AT&T.
In July 1991, the University issued the "Second
Networking Release," also known as Net2, which was intended
to make available to the public those portions of the
Berkeley Software Distributions which were not subject to
license restrictions. However, USL brought a lawsuit
against the University, claiming that portions of the
release contained restricted material. The University
denied USL's claims. It also brought a separate action
against USL alleging that USL had violated the terms of its
Berkeley Software Distribution, also known as BSD, license
agreements by failing to give the University credit for
certain material in the UNIX release.
Over the past several months, attorneys and
computer scientists representing the University and USL have
worked together in an effort to reach a compromise on their
disputes. The result of these efforts will be a new,
unencumbered version of the latest Berkeley Software
Distribution called 4.4 BSD-Lite which will retain virtually
all of the functionality of the Second Networking Release
along with a number of enhancements from the University's
latest 4.4 BSD release.
The settlement restricts further use and distri-
bution of certain files in the Second Networking Release and
requires that certain files in 4.4 BSD-Lite include a USL
copyright notice. In addition to providing several
enhancements, the new 4.4 BSD-Lite Release will replace most
of the restricted files and incorporates all the agreed-upon
modifications and notices. Thus, 4.4 BSD-Lite will not
require a license from nor payment of royalties to USL. The
University strongly recommends that 4.4 BSD-Lite be substi-
tuted for Net2.
Although it has denied the University's claims,
USL has also agreed to affix the University's copyright
notice to certain files distributed with future releases of
the UNIX system and to give credit to the University for
material derived from BSD releases which have been included
in the UNIX system.
Copies of the source code for 4.4 BSD-Lite may be
obtained from the University at nominal cost. Source code
copies and further information on 4.4 BSD-Lite and the
restrictions on Net2 may be obtained from the Computer
Systems Research Group at (510) 642-7780. Information may
also be obtained from USL's licensing offices at