Subject: Re: the path from nathanw_sa -> newlock2
To: None <>
From: Bucky Katz <>
List: current-users
Date: 02/14/2007 15:20:05
Brett Lymn <> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:38:48PM -0800, Bucky Katz wrote:
>> I have no problem with this. I am sad that I didn't know about it six
>> months ago and spent time fixing M:N bugs.
> I know the feeling but, quite honestly, I don't think anyone knew we
> would be dumping M:N six months ago - we knew it had problems but at
> the time there was not a person with the right combination of time,
> skill and dedication to fix what was wrong.

"Six months ago" is an arbitrary time.  I sent email to Andrew as
recently as a few days ago about patches I wanted to submit to M:N
threading in pthreads and he didn't see fit to tell me that it was
going away.

I don't know who you mean by "we", but whomever "we" is, they're not
talking to the NetBSD developer community before deprecating large
pieces of functionality.

We'll get past it. My team will throw away the work we did on M:N
threads and support in libpthread.  We'll redo it to for 1:1 support.
We'll worry on a regular basis which rug will be pulled out from under
us next.

But we will say that we're sad and disappointed about what is a broken
process, because the process is broken and we are disappointed.

Perhaps if "we" would stop being defensive about "six months" and "we"
would actually talk to the developer community, "we" wouldn't be
seeing email like this.