Subject: Re: "sendmail" configuration file issue should be fixed
To: None <>
From: Johnny Billquist <>
List: current-users
Date: 06/10/2006 18:11:54
Sure, the extreme way people was bitten by the quick removal of sendmail 
in this case is partially a result of using -current.
But people who are running stable releases will soon get to the point 
where they install a new version and sendmail is gone. And if they use 
it, and depend on it, they will at minimum be required to install it 
themself, even though it was in the base before.

So I still stand by the reasoning that if you want a mail daemon, you 
should install it yourself, you cannot depend on what's in base.

So, why have any?


Alan Barrett wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>So if you really want to use postfix, I'd definitely recommend anyone
>>to install it themself from pkgsrc, so they don't get bitten the same
>>way people who used to use sendmail just got bitten.
> NetBSD-current is known to be unstable at times, and people updating
> to -current take the chance that things might go wrong.  It's sad that
> some people lost their configurations as a consequence of defects in
> the sendmail-postfix transition in -current, but I assume that, before
> there's an actual release that does not include sendmail, there will be
> a better transition process.  Similarly, if postfix is ever removed,
> I assume that the first actual release to remove it will include a
> sensible transition process.  So I don't think it's reasonable to
> extrapolate from "there was (still is) a period of instability in
> -current" to "never rely on any software in the base system".
> --apb (Alan Barrett)

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