Subject: Re: CVS commit: src/distrib/sets/lists
To: Bill Studenmund <>
From: Hisashi T Fujinaka <>
List: current-users
Date: 05/31/2006 21:46:19
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Bill Studenmund wrote:

> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:38:09PM -0500, Rob Healey wrote:
>> On May 30, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Matthias Scheler wrote:
>>> Modified Files:
>>> 	src/distrib/sets/lists/base: mi
>>> 	src/distrib/sets/lists/man: mi
>>> Log Message:
>>> Remove obsolete sendmail manual pages, add postfix manual pages.
>> So does this mean sendmail removal was a political assassination as
>> opposed to chucking all MTA's from the base in order to make the base
>> smaller and devoid of any "preferred" MTA's/Mail systems?
>> Seems better to wipe them all and add an additional package, like
>> compilers, X11, etc. if you want any mail functionality in a NetBSD
>> installation.
> I don't think it was very political. All the developers I am aware of that
> are running sendmail (and mentioned it) are using the version from pkgsrc.
> They are doing so as pkgsrc can add things like SASL and other features
> that won't work in base.
> So the sendmail users aren't using sendmail from base, so why keep
> something that isn't used and can have vulnerabilities (*)?
> (*) I know sendmail is much better than it used to be, but even good
> programs have issues on occasion.
> The reason for leaving something in is that the base system needs to be
> able to at least deliver messages locally, so we need some form of MTA.

I am not in core. I can not read any of core's publications. Core is a
secret cabal, in this sense.

I used stock sendmail. I tried to convert my -current system to use
pkgsrc sendmail and there are pieces missing (like an rc.d script).
Yeah, I know -current isn't supposed to work all the time, but I usually
try to let people know when things are quite broken (like sendmail or
nfs for example in the last week).

I am probably the one of the few unhappy about this whole thing, but I
thought I should probably let someone know.

Hisashi T Fujinaka -
BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte