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>>>>> "c" == Miles Nordin <carton@Ivy.NET> writes:
>>>>> "ms" == Matthias Scheler <tron@zhadum.de> writes:

    >> * IPv6 broken (early 2.0 releases?)
    ms> Works for me:

Yeah, I guess it's my mistake.  I can't reproduce it, and don't see
any IPv6 commits that aren't already on netbsd-2, netbsd-3, and HEAD.

    >> * DNS lookups broken (works in 2.0, broken in 1.6 and 3.0?)
    ms> Works for me, too:

yes, you're right.  I think the problem is that nameservice doesn't
work when the system first starts up.  I can reproduce it.

from ntp_initres.c:
-----8<-----
 * We take an interrupt every thirty seconds, at which time we decrement
 * config_timer and resolve_timer.  The former is set to 2, so we retry
 * unsucessful reconfigurations every minute.  The latter is set to
 * an exponentially increasing value which starts at 2 and increases to
 * 32.  When this expires we retry failed name resolutions.
-----8<-----

so, that feature is not working.  I checked FreeBSD, which is also ntp
4.20, and it's broken over there, too.

below is with 2.0.  3.0 is the same, so I guess the behavior has not
changed recently---only my luck changed.

----8<----
castrovalva:~$ sudo /etc/rc.d/named stop
Password:
Stopping named.
Waiting for PIDS: 303.
castrovalva:~$ sudo /etc/rc.d/ntpd restart
Stopping ntpd.
Waiting for PIDS: 563.
Starting ntpd.
castrovalva:~$ ntpq
ntpq> peers
No association ID's returned
ntpq> quit
castrovalva:~$ ps auxw | grep ntp
ntpd      17910  0.0  0.8  1384  4096 ?? Ss    5:15PM   0:00.10 /usr/sbin/ntpd -u ntpd:ntpd -i /usr/export/ntpd
root      28745  0.0  0.3  1384  1504 ?? S     5:16PM   0:00.00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -u ntpd:ntpd -i /usr/export/ntpd
carton     6831  0.0  0.0   256     0 qb TW    3:52PM   0:00.03 less libntp/ntp_rfc2553.c
carton     5139  0.0  0.0   392     0 qe IW+   4:48PM   0:00.05 ntpq
carton    12747  0.0  0.2   152   768 r0 R+    5:16PM   0:00.01 grep ntp
castrovalva:~$ ntpq
ntpq> peers
No association ID's returned
ntpq> quit
castrovalva:~$ sudo /etc/rc.d/named start
Starting named.
castrovalva:~$ ntpq
ntpq> peers
No association ID's returned
ntpq> quit
castrovalva:~$ date
Sun Oct  9 17:18:04 EDT 2005
castrovalva:~$ date
Sun Oct  9 17:35:15 EDT 2005
castrovalva:~$ ntpq
ntpq> peers
No association ID's returned
ntpq> quit
castrovalva:~$ sudo /etc/rc.d/ntpd restart
Password:
Stopping ntpd.
Starting ntpd.
castrovalva:~$ ntpq
ntpq> peers
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
 ezln.Ivy.NET    .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 lucette.Ivy.NET .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 207-172-233-45. .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 ziaspace-pt.tun .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 cudns.cit.corne .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 hickory.cc.colu .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 mailer1.psc.edu .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
 ungoliant.cede. .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000 4000.00
ntpq> 
----8<----

     c> * documentation not installed (since ntpd 4.0 import?)

it's actually missing from src/dist/ntp.  the html/ subdir mentioned
in README is not checked in to NetBSD's repository.  

FreeBSD installs the manual to /usr/share/doc/ntp and references this
directory from ntpd(8).  We reference the
/usr/share/doc/ntp/... directories from a different-looking ntpd(8)
(an ntp 3.x one in src/usr.sbin/ntp/ntpd?)  but unlike FreeBSD we
don't install the manual into the referenced directory.

    ms> The manual pages are included, the HTML documentation isn't.

for bind9, the documentation is in our repository src/dist/bind/doc,
so at least we are revision-controlling it, just not installing it.

pkgsrc/net/bind9 does install the manual.  FreeBSD's base system
installs it in /usr/share/doc/bind9/arm, and OpenBSD's base system
installs it in /usr/share/doc/html/bind.

With bind9, the man pages aren't adequate---for example, see
named.conf(5), where the options are simply listed, not described, and
named(8) that explains only the ARM is adequate:

CONFIGURATION
       The named configuration file is too complex to describe in detail here.
       A  complete  description is provided in the BIND 9 Administrator Refer-
       ence Manual.

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