>>>>> And the Daemon is no more FreeBSD than it was NetBSD, or even than 
>>>>> it
>>>>> was OpenBSD before they went to their blowfish logo, which I hate, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> I'm sorry to say is quite a lot better than our new "Orange Flag"
>>>>> logo.
>>>>> The Daemon was BSD. Plain and simple. People who thought it was 
>>>>> only
>>>>> FreeBSD weren't the type of people who'd notice NetBSD in the first
>>>>> place anyhow.
>>>>
>>>> If, by the 'Daemon', you mean Beastie, then I think you'll find 
>>>> that the
>>>> copyright on it is held by Marshall Kirk McKusick
>>>> (http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html).
>>>>
>>>> Now you might not care about IP law suits, but I'm glad to hear 
>>>> that TNF
>>>> does.
>>>
>>> Huh? Do you mean that NetBSD suddenly weren't allowed to use the 
>>> demon,
>>> and that McKusick threatened to sue NetBSD???
>>
>> I've no idea whether he threatened to or not, but that's not relevant:
>> TNF clearly doesn't hold any rights to the Daemon, and it's generally 
>> a
>> bad idea to rely on the good will of another agent in these 
>> conditions;
>> especially when that agent is associated with a different group
>> operating in a similar field.
>
> Obviously FreeBSD don't see it the same way. Atleast I can't find 
> McKusicks name among the FreeBSD release engineering people.
> And work McKusick have done lately looks like it has been used in all 
> BSD-derived systems.
>
> I'd be rather surprised if this actually was a reason for avoiding the 
> daemon. If it is so, we really should drop the "BSD" moniker as well. 
> That should be an even hotter potato than the daemon.

if you really want to avoid every possible 'offence' against someone 
and every possible IP-related stuff, we should

- name NetBSD "" (the OS formerly known as NetB*D),

- kick the daemon (in _every_ aspect, even as mascot etc.),

- choose the logo mentioned yesterday or the day before: white circle 
on white ground.

but:

i really really really like the BSD in NetBSD :), the daemon is a cute 
mascot, and LAW (lawyers are wimps)!

(SCNR)

seriously: if there are IP issues, they should be avoided as much as 
possible. otherwise, there are 6+ billion people on this planet, 
100,000 of them dying of hunger _every day_, several wars etc etc etc. 
that's the way i tell lawyers (and other people who want similar 
things) to get away from me...

;)

-- 
:x!

timo