In message <Pine.NEB.4.44.0301142337520.481-100000@angelic.cynic.net>, Curt Sam
pson writes:
>On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Gary Thorpe wrote:
>
>>  --- Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Gary
>> Thorpe wrote:
>> >
>> > > How would other removeable media SCSI devices be formatted
>> > ordinarily?
>> >
>> > Probably the same way hard drives are: "scsictl sd0 format".
>>
>> So the usb device will *actually* accept SCSI commands over the usb
>> "link layer" and its not just coded to look that way?
>
>ATAPI is basically an IDEish version of SCSI, as I understand it.
>
>> Are people able
>> to format ZIP disks and MO media this way? If so, does it work for usb
>> as well as "real" SCSI device attached to SCSI host adapters?
>
>Why don't you try it? (My USB floppy is at home right now, or I would.)
>
>At any rate, if it doesn't work this way, I can't think of how it would
>be possible to format anything with a USB drive.

I just did.

# scsictl sd0 format
/dev/rsd0d: SCSI command timed out
/dev/rsd0d: device is busy
/dev/rsd0d: Check Condition on CDB: 1a 00 03 00 23 00
    SENSE KEY: Illegal Request
     ASC/ASCQ: Invalid Command Operation Code

Of course, this is that mysterious TEAC drive that no one can write to 
under NetBSD....  (I note that there is a QUIRK entry for the drive 
already.  Should something be added to it?)

        { { USB_VENDOR_TEAC, USB_PRODUCT_TEAC_FD05PUB },
          UMASS_WPROTO_UNSPEC, UMASS_CPROTO_UNSPEC,
          0,
          PQUIRK_NOMODESENSE,
          UMATCH_DEVCLASS_DEVSUBCLASS_DEVPROTO,
          NULL, NULL
        },  


		--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
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