Subject: Re: IPv6 Comment
To: None <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Sean Doran <email@example.com>
Date: 09/01/2000 21:49:44
| those protocols embed the ip address since (a) it's much easier to get
| at than a hostname (which will map to an ip address) and (b) the local
| ip address that it's passing isn't expected to change in the next few
The change is spatial rather than temporal, in the case of NAT.
That's one of NAT's goals - the system "inside" the NAT never
knows its addresses change. As a result, protocols which do this:
sender (configured as 10.0.0.6): hi, please reply to 10.0.0.6
passes through NAT
receiver sees from 18.104.22.168: "hi, please reply to 10.0.0.6"
sends reply to 10.0.0.6, never gets reply
are broken. Instead they should do this:
sender (configured as 10.0.0.6): hi, please reply to my.domain.com
passes through NAT
receiver sees from 22.214.171.124: "hi, please reply to my.domain.com"
does DNS lookup on my.domain.com, sees 126.96.36.199
sends reply to 188.8.131.52
this is the only difference between a NAT-unfriendly and NAT-friendly protocol.
| ftp has been "fixed", talk could also be "fixed", but dcc
| would be a different matter entirely.
Why? Can't the initiator of a DCC session figure out its canonical DNS name?
| also...if *both* ends are using
| nat...active vs. passive wrt ftp isn't really much of an argument.
Why? If receiver's NAT sees "hi, please send a reply to my.domain.com",
and rewrites 184.108.40.206 to 10.0.0.8 (note subtle difference), then
receiver still sees the same request, does the same DNS lookup, but this
time gets "my.domain.com. IN A 10.0.0.8" from the nameserver that cooperates
with the NAT.
By contrast, the NAT-unfriendly protocol's "10.0.0.6" might have
gruesome side-effects if that's a real machine "inside" the receiver's
NAT addressing scope.
| imho, nat devices shuld come with the warning that some things will be
| broken by the use of this. tough noogies.
Yes, I agree. And we can stop calling NAT all sorts of evil names,
complaining about how it breaks the Internet's end2end model, violates
data intregity, and so on. Then I shut up. :) :)