Subject: Re: RFC: Simple screen editor for NetBSD
To: Jukka Marin <>
From: David Brownlee <>
List: current-users
Date: 01/07/2000 21:21:43
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Jukka Marin wrote:

> Hmm.  There's this place using NetBSD, where no-one knows how to use
> vi.  It's always a challenge to get a new machine up and running when
> you have to guide them keystroke by keystroke on the phone when they're
> editing /etc/rc.confor /etc/group or doing vipw to get the system up so
> I can log on from the network.
	Another good argument for having a simple editor present.
	Attempted summary of discussion to date:

	Reasons against:
		- If someone cannot learn vi, they should not be editing
		  system files on unix.
		- sysinst should be able to install a simple editor.
		- small amount of bloat.

	Reasons for:
		- Guaranteed easy editor on all systems, docs can reference
		- Help novices
		- Help someone talking a novice through something
		- Can break out into a sysinst package when base system is
		  split into packages anyway
		- Currently discourages new users from NetBSD initially -
		  more likely to learn on another system and stay there.

	If the editor is present it should be:
		- In /usr/bin
		- Be simple to use, with cursor keys, and emacs like move
		- Not wrap long lines
		- Preserve uid/permissions on files

	Updates to the above welcomed.