Subject: Re: CVSup collections for a NetBSD CVS tree
To: NetBSD-current Discussion List <email@example.com>
From: Jonathan Stone <jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 05/01/1999 12:47:48
In message <m10dea4-000g5pC@most.weird.com>Greg A. Woods writes
>[ On Saturday, May 1, 1999 at 10:34:15 (-0700), Brian D Chase wrote: ]
>> Subject: Re: CVSup collections for a NetBSD CVS tree
>> Okay... Let's draw a socio-politically charged parallel to this line of
>> thinking. And this is probably a good way to illustrate why a good number
>> of NetBSDers are ethically opposed to embracing any software like CVSup.
>Your analogy is so flawed and backwards that it's not even funny.
>If you're restricted to running an old Sun3 or sparc-1 or vax-750 or
>whatever then you're already restricted to the pony express because
>those machines aren't capable of flying supersonic in the first place.
>Note: "Not capable" -- not "restricted from"! This doesn't have
>*ANYTHING* to do with "racism".
It's fairly simple, Greg: in NetBSD, we should at least have the
*choice*. Your way, we don't. So the analogy isn't too bad.
>> CVSup is good at what it does for the platforms upon which it runs. The
>> NetBSD community should acknowledge and accept CVSup. But from a
>> philosophical standpoint, I would be upset if it were embraced or even
>> supported by the NetBSD community.
>That's self-contradictory. How can NetBSD (i.e. those behind
>NetBSD.org) say they accept CVSup if they don't make it possible for
>there to be a cvsup.netbsd.org? Anyone on the outside will see them as
>rejecting it if they don't *offer* it. They don't have to force it down
>anyone's throat to *offer* it.
No, Greg. You are forcing official support of CVSup down *our*
throats. You are demanding that we take on the burden of porting and
maintaining m3 to all our ports. Please dont lie to us
>There are lots of of unofficial mirrors
>of ftp.NetBSD.org (and ftp.*.netbsd.org), yet I'll bet those *official*
>sites get the majority of requests, and the reason is that people want
>to get an "official" copy, both for the supposed integrity, and also so
>that their request shows up in an official log, maybe so that they can
>contribute to statistics showing how widely used NetBSD is.
Now explain how those `official' mirrors are supposed to provide CVSup
access. You do remember that some of them are sparcs and whatnot
running NetBSD, dont you?