Subject: Re: Removing dm(1)
To: NetBSD-current Users <current-users@NetBSD.ORG>
From: Tim Rightnour <>
List: current-users
Date: 11/21/1997 08:58:49
On 21-Nov-97 Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group spoke unto us all:
# This is why one should not install games on a production server, or at least 
# file off any setuid and possibly even setgid bits.  In the big picture, games
# are not really worth the time and effort.

Anyone installing a real production machine will (should) be very picky about
what programs he puts on it, to avoid any unsafe conditions.

# An alternative is to only include the games in the source distribution, not
# in 
# any binary distribution.  Make sure that the sysadmin understands the risks
# of 

Thats a bit rude to the folx on the vax port dont you think?  Besides that..
Alot of people install netbsd on machines that are a bit strapped for space..
For a LONG time I never had the space to do a full build..  I still don't
really, without compressing half my filesystem down.

Besides.. just don't ftp games13.??

# installing games and have her acknowledge this during install via a prompt 
# from the Makefile or by having her set an environment variable that 
# acknowledges this.  Then if a sysadmin installs any games and those games are
# used to compromise any user's account, then its the sysadmin's own damn fault
# for installing games on a mission critical server.

Thats not an unreasonable thing for a production server.  But for someone who
just has their machine up in a non critical environment and just likes to play
with it.. I don't think he should be subjected to cracking just because he
likes to play larn.  I think its a greusome hack to fix the problem by removing
the offending subsystem completely.  

Tim Rightnour    -