>And how about losing the "don't login as root, use su" message?  
>Obviously there are times you *have* to login as root, and this message
>can be a bit confusing for new users.  Also, 'su -l' generates the
>message also, which is silly.  Of course it is simple to remove the
>message, but should it be there in the first place?

that's in ~root/.login, right?  well...they can remove that themselves
once they find it.  :P

agreed, su really doesn't need to print it, but it would require some
somewhat arcane "logic" in .login to circumvent that...

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