BTW - this is the place to post isn't it as ipf is only merged into current? OK - I put options ipfilter in my kernel config, so now I am not using the lkm version, so now I get base# ipf -E open device: Operation not supported by device SIOCFRENB: Bad file descriptor base# ls -l /dev/ipl crw------- 1 root wheel 29, 0 Apr 20 19:26 /dev/ipl ?!? Patrick