This is a message to let you all know that, as a result of an off-topic
post to a NetBSD.ORG mailing list, which contained private correspondence,
Theo de Raadt is now being filtered from all NetBSD.ORG mailing lists.
Given his history of off-topic posts, we feel that there is nothing else
that we can do.  We regret only that this is necessary.

In addition, we have begun filtering all mail sent through an anonymous
remailer that Mr. de Raadt is currently using to spam mailing lists
at FreeBSD.ORG.

Attached below are three pieces of e-mail that all appeared on
publicly-available mailing lists:

	(a) The post by Mr. de Raadt which caused him to be added
	    to the filter.

	(b) A post from Jordan Hubbard <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG> regarding
	    their decision to filter all mail traffic from Mr. de Raadt.

	(c) A post from Jordan Hubbard, forwarding a mail from
	    Mr. de Raadt, clearly containing a threat to repeatedly
	    post via an anonymous remailer.

If you have any questions regarding this decision, please send them
to core@NetBSD.ORG.

Thank you.

Jason R. Thorpe
NetBSD Core Group
<thorpej@NetBSD.ORG>

 ----- document A -----

>To: Chris G Demetriou <Chris_G_Demetriou@ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
>cc: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com>, postmaster@realcase.com,
>        postmaster@theos.com, postmaster@cs.cmu.edu
>cc: current-users@netbsd.org
>Subject: Re: setuid, core dumps, ftpd, and DB 
>In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 03:44:41 EDT."
>             <20622.845797481@ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu> 
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:48:09 -0600
>From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com>

In reply to a COMPLETELY TECHNICAL PIECE of mail to Chris, I get this.
	
if you have garbage like this to say, you learn to delete your mail,
you don't send insults. 

I'm setting up for anon remailers at the moment.  You guys are going
to learn an important lesson here.  If flaming is all you can do,
then you should shut your mouths.




> Return-Path: Chris_G_Demetriou@ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu
> Received: from ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu (UX2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.198.102]) by zeus.theos.com (8.8.Beta.2/8.8.Beta.1) with SMTP id BAA03938; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:45:54 -0600 (MDT)
> Received: from localhost by ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu id aa20653; 20 Oct 96 3:45 EDT
> To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com>
> cc: postmaster@realcase.com, postmaster@theos.com, postmaster@cs.cmu.edu
> Subject: Re: setuid, core dumps, ftpd, and DB 
> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:28:51 MDT."
>              <199610200728.BAA03806@zeus.theos.com> 
> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 03:44:41 -0400
> Message-ID: <20622.845797481@ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
> From: Chris G Demetriou <Chris_G_Demetriou@ux2.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
> 
> Theo,
> 
> Do not send me private e-mail.  I have requested this in the past, and
> am doing so again.  I have not sent you private e-mail at any time in
> the recent past, and do not intend to do so in the future.  I
> recognize that you were replying privately to a post that I made to a
> public mailing list, but do not wish you to ever do so again; if you
> have something to say, please say it to whatever mailing list is
> appropriate.  Since in the past you have published private e-mail that
> i've sent to you, this does not seem unreasonable.
> 
> I will consider any future direct e-mail from you to any of my
> personal e-mail addresses (i.e. e-mail sent by you to me, not through
> a well-known publically-accessible mailing list to which i willingly
> and intentionally subscribed) to be harassment.
> 
> I've cc'd the postmaster of your apparent ISP and of cs.cmu.edu so
> that they are aware of this message.  If I receive private e-mail from
> you in the future, your ISP will be hearing from me again, so i
> thought they should know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> chris demetriou
> cgd@cs.cmu.edu

 ----- document B -----

>To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com>
>cc: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.tfs.com>, hackers@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c 
>In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:02:01 MDT."
>             <199610200702.BAA03473@zeus.theos.com> 
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:51:41 -0700
>Message-ID: <9430.845797901@time.cdrom.com>
>From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>

> Poul, stop sending me mail.

I guess we've reached the limit with you.  Your personal feud with
Poul-Henning Kamp, or any other person on this planet for that matter,
has *nothing to do with this mailing list* and your consistent and
willful disregard for its intended charter now forces me to have you
barred.  What obviously cannot be accomplished by self-restraint will
now have be accomplished with PERL, and what a pity that a few lines
of PERL have to serve as a substitute for emotional maturity and just
a little common sense.

					Jordan

 ----- document C -----

>To: hackers@freebsd.org
>Subject: Theo de Raadt: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c 
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:07:01 -0700
>Message-ID: <9516.845798821@time.cdrom.com>
>From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>

I love this.  What are we going to do with someone like this?  Is it
going to take the concerted effort of several thousand people to
protect the FreeBSD lists from this kind of harassment?  I really don't
see many other alternatives, though I'm open to suggestions.

Anyway, this is just a little pre-warning.  If we get a flood of anon
mail in the next 10 minutes I'm just going to shut the mailing lists
down for awhile until the postmasters at various intervening domains
are contacted (along with whomever in Canada it seems to make sense to
contact in cases like this).  I can at least stop the spam from
reaching your mailboxes, and if we "go off the air" for awhile then
the forwarded message below is why.  Just FYI.  We greatly regret any
possible inconvenience, naturally, and will do what we can to resolve
this foolish situation quickly.

						Jordan
------- Forwarded Message

Message-Id: <199610200753.BAA03995@zeus.theos.com>
To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:51:41 PDT."
             <9430.845797901@time.cdrom.com> 
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:52:58 -0600
From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@theos.com>

the anon mailer is coming up. in 10 minutes you're in trouble.
you guys persist in getting the last word of flaming at me,
and it isn't going to work.

------- End of Forwarded Message