> The mailing list info says:
> 
> `This is a forum for all people using an up-to-date version of the
> NetBSD-current source tree.  [...]'

What is the appropriate out-of-date-users mailing list? :-)
  
> But that's okay; you're still welcome.  B-)

Thanks, you were dead on. Ahh, the joys of csh.

> It sounds like one of your shell startup files is running stty(1) on
> the pipe.  Since a pipe is not a terminal, none of the TIOC* ioctls
> will work.

								David