i just took a wild stab with newfs -w sd0f i think it worked. wow... real UNIX again, and it's all -mine-... oooooo... sorry. it's a decade-old fantasy coming true. thanks, folks. -- Hume Smith Chester Nova Scotia 902 275 3266 AOL's grand scheme to get Internet in the workplace: "But thanks to America OnLine, I'm really just goofing off!"