Subject: Re: Amiga related stuff
To: Rob Healey <>
From: David Maxwell <>
List: amiga-dev
Date: 12/26/1995 20:14:45
I think everyone who needs to has seen the last couple of messages back
and forth. I'll leave them pasted in below just in case, but I want people
to read this 'fresh'.

My priority in writing this is seeing that NetBSD does well - on all ports.

The discussion in the past couple of messages seems really counter-productive.

I don't expect anyone who is issued ultimatums to respond kindly to 
comments made in a public forum which almost pretend the person being
discussed cannot see the messages. Frankly, inconsiderate adults treat
children like that, I expect more from the educated, mature, cooperative
developers on this list.

If someone feels that there is a problem with someone else, please first
discuss it with that person, in private. Then, if you would, ask permission
to discuss this publicly in a constructive way.

Of course there may be times when attempts at this type of communication
are unsuccessful, and I don't have the whole story here either, but 
messages are on their way.

The traffic on this list is way down too, not surprising considering the
time of year. I'd like to ask if we could put discussion off until the
3rd or so, when more readers and posters have returned?

							David Maxwell
> > >> 	I finally got a valid 1.1A tree yesterday after 3 weeks of trying
> > >> 	to get sup to work. A bug fix for the le interface had been submited
> > >> 	two weeks ago but still hasn't made it in to the tree. Is everyone
> > >> 	on vacation or is the Amiga port on autopilot?
> > >
> > >The later one :(
> > >
> > >We _really_ need one who is a better amiga-portmaster.
> > >
> > >Bernd
> > >
> > >P.S: I am thinking about to leave NetBSD when there is no change till the
> > >     31th January.
> > 
> > I am really glad, Bernd, that you have such a full grasp of the situation.
> > Perhaps if you paid me a salary I could provide you with the service you
> > want?  Or maybe you could have helped me move.  I have other more personal
> > problems that I could iterate but you don't deserve to know about them.
> > 
> > Merry f'ing christmas Bernd,
> > 
> 	I'm usually not one to stir up the Amiga group, I prefer to do
> 	that in other forums, especially since I myself don't have the time
> 	to be a solution to the problem but:
> 	Bernd has a valid point and your reply validates it.
> 	Maybe we need to add more to the Amiga core who can make changes so
> 	they don't all fall to one person who is overloaded.
> 	The time it takes to update the port IS having an impact on people
> 	who look at Linux and see alot going on but see nothing going
> 	on as far as the NetBSD port goes.
> 	At this point I don't care one way or the other as I've moved all
> 	critical functions off my Amiga and on to my SPARC but I think it's
> 	a real issue that Amiga port changes should happen in a timely
> 	manner.
> 	In a statement that's probably going to get me seriously singed, I
> 	think > 2 weeks to put in a pr'd fix isn't timely. The other ports
> 	respond within 2 weeks. I put in Bernd's patch and it works as well
> 	as I can test it. I thank Bernd for the patch and hope that the above
> 	sharp responce won't chase him away since we need all the Amiga
> 	people we can get!
> 	Again, I loath commenting like this since I myself don't have time
> 	to be a solution but I think the responce to Bernd was unduly harsh
> 	and that some help is needed to keep the Amiga port fixes comming in
> 	in a timely manner.
> 		-Rob